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Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Stefano Quintarelli
anzi no, sbagliavo. "or service providers acting in their professional
capacity". questo imho e' un pasticcio. per che' tali soggetti sono gia'
regolamentati e facendoli ricadere in una categoria nuova, IMHO si crea
confusione. si estendono le regole dei professional ai private
individuals ? o si estende dai private individuals ai professional ?
boh
On 03/06/2016 08:58, Stefano Quintarelli wrote:
> sembra precisa precisa la definizione di sharing economy che abbiamo
> proposto nella nostra proposta di legge.
>
> On 02/06/2016 23:36, Alberto Cammozzo wrote:
>> Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
>>
>> La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
>> facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
>> for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
>> individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
>> services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
>> their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
>> Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
>> "peers".
>> Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
>> esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
>> traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
>> transport service" o un digital service.
>>
>> Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
>> Uber una "collaborative platform"?
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Alberto
>>
>>
>> On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
>>> Caro Stefano,
>>>
>>> Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
>>> "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
>>> darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
>>> chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
>>>
>>> Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
>>> Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
>>> per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
>>>
>>> O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
>>> <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Stefano Quintarelli
sembra precisa precisa la definizione di sharing economy che abbiamo
proposto nella nostra proposta di legge.
On 02/06/2016 23:36, Alberto Cammozzo wrote:
> Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
>
> La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
> facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
> for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
> individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
> services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
> their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
> Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
> "peers".
> Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
> esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
> traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
> transport service" o un digital service.
>
> Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
> Uber una "collaborative platform"?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Alberto
>
>
> On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
>> Caro Stefano,
>>
>> Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
>> "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
>> darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
>> chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
>>
>> Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
>> Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
>> per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
>>
>> O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
>> <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>>
>>
>> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>>
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
>>
>>
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June 3, 2016
Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Alemanno
La causa citata ma non identificata è C-345/15 Asociación Profesional Élite Taxi v Uber Systems Spain, S.L.
Request for a preliminary ruling from the Juzgado Mercantil No 3 de Barcelona (Spain) lodged on 7 August 2015 — Asociación Profesional Élite Taxi v Uber Systems Spain, S.L.
Questions referred
Inasmuch as Article 2(2)(d) of Directive 2006/123/EC 1 <http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170871&pageI…> of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 December 2006 on services in the internal market excludes transport activities from the scope of that directive, must the activity carried out for profit by the defendant, consisting of acting as an intermediary between the owner of a vehicle and a person who needs to make a journey within a city, by managing the IT resources — in the words of the defendant, ‘intelligent telephone and technological platform’ interface and software application — which enable them to connect with one another, be considered to be merely a transport service or must it be considered to be an electronic intermediary service or an information society service, as defined by Article 1(2) of Directive 98/34/EC 2 <http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170871&pageI…> of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 June 1998 laying down a procedure for the provision of information in the field of technical standards and regulations and of rules on Information Society services?
Within the identification of the legal nature of that activity[,] can it be considered to be … in part an information society service, and, if so, ought the electronic intermediary service to benefit from the principle of freedom to provide services as guaranteed in the Community legislation — Article 56 TFEU and Directives 2006/123/EC and … 2000/31/ EC? 3 <http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170871&pageI…>
If the service provided by UBER SYSTEMS SPAIN, S.L. were not to be considered to be a transport service and were therefore considered to fall within the cases covered by Directive 2006/123, the question arising is whether Article 15 of the Law on Unfair competition — concerning the infringement of rules governing competitive activity — is contrary to Directive 2006/123, specifically Article 9 on freedom of establishment and authorisation schemes, when the reference to national laws or legal provisions is made without taking into account the fact that the scheme for obtaining licences, authorisations and permits may not be in any way restrictive or disproportionate, that is, it may not unreasonably impede the principle of freedom of establishment.
If it is confirmed that Directive 2000/31/EC is applicable to the service provided by UBER SYSTEMS SPAIN, S.L., the question arising is whether restrictions in one Member State [regarding] the freedom to provide the electronic intermediary service from another Member State, in the form of making the service subject to an authorisation or a licence, or in the form of an injunction prohibiting provision of the electronic intermediary service based on the application of the national legislation on unfair competition, are valid measures that constitute derogations from paragraph 2 in accordance with Article 3(4) of Directive 2000/31/EC.
____________
1 <> OJ 2006 L 376, p. 36.
2 <> OJ 1998 L 204, p. 37.
3 <> Directive 2000/31/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 8 June 2000 on certain legal aspects of information society services, in particular electronic commerce, in the Internal Market (‘Directive on electronic commerce’) (OJ 2000 L 178, p. 1).
> On 2 juin 2016, at 23:36, Alberto Cammozzo <ac+nexa(a)zeromx.net> wrote:
>
> Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
>
> La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
> facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
> for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
> individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
> services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
> their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
> Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
> "peers".
> Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
> esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
> traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
> transport service" o un digital service.
>
> Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
> Uber una "collaborative platform"?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Alberto
>
>
> On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
>> Caro Stefano,
>>
>> Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
>> "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
>> darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
>> chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
>>
>> Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
>> Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
>> per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
>>
>> O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
>> <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>>
>>
>> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>>
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
>>
>>
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June 3, 2016
Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Chiosa a margine: a pensarci bene forse per tanto tempo abbiamo
criminalizzato ingiustamente il "caporalato".
Dopo tutto il "caporale" svolgeva la nobile e socialmente
utile funzione di mettere in contatto domanda e offerta
in un ambito fondamentale come quello del "mercato del lavoro"*.
Se rivalutiamo il "caporale", il passo alle app è brevissimo:
è chiaro che usare app, infatti, è molto più efficiente (e anche
più elegante) di andare all'alba in piazza con un camion.
Pensiamoci.
ciao,
juan carlos
*virgolette in omaggio a Karl Polanyi.
On 02/06/16 23:36, Alberto Cammozzo wrote:
> Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
>
> La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
> facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
> for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
> individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
> services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
> their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
> Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
> "peers".
> Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
> esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
> traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
> transport service" o un digital service.
>
> Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
> Uber una "collaborative platform"?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Alberto
>
>
> On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
>> Caro Stefano,
>>
>> Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
>> "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
>> darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
>> chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
>>
>> Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
>> Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
>> per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
>>
>> O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
>> <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>>
>>
>> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>>
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
>>
>>
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>> Keep it in mind.
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June 3, 2016
Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Andrea Glorioso
Perché i "contractors" di Uber non sarebbero "peers", precisamente?
Scusa ma non capisco bene la questione che sollevi.
On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Alberto Cammozzo <ac+nexa(a)zeromx.net> wrote:
> Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
>
> La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
> facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
> for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
> individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
> services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
> their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
> Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
> "peers".
> Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
> esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
> traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
> transport service" o un digital service.
>
> Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
> Uber una "collaborative platform"?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Alberto
>
>
> On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
> > Caro Stefano,
> >
> > Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
> > "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
> > darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
> > chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
> >
> > Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
> > Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
> > per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
> >
> > O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
> > <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <javascript:;> <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it
> <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> >
> > Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
> >
> >
> > Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it
> <javascript:;>> ha
> > scritto:
> >
> >
> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
> >
> >
> > F.
> >
> >
> > Inviato da iPhone
> >
> >
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June 3, 2016
Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Alberto Cammozzo
Ma la Commissione si riferisce davvero a Uber?
La Commissione definisce la "collaborative economy" come "activities are
facilitated by collaborative platforms that create an open marketplace
for the temporary usage of goods or services often provided by private
individuals" , e i providers sono 'private individuals offering
services on an occasional basis (‘peers’) or service providers acting in
their professional capacity ("professional services providers");'
Ora, nel caso di Uber è assai dubbio che i "contractor" rientrino tra i
"peers".
Sono diverse le corti che si occupano dela questione , e dovrebbe
esserci anche un procedimento spagnolo presso ECJ (anche se non ne trovo
traccia su curia.europa.eu ma solo su Reuters): se sia un "mere
transport service" o un digital service.
Mi chiedo: cosa fa pensare la stampa che la Commissione considererebbe
Uber una "collaborative platform"?
Ciao,
Alberto
On 02/06/2016 14:18, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
> Caro Stefano,
>
> Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la
> "novità" è che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di
> darsi una calmata con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa
> chiamata libera concorrenza nel mercato interno...
>
> Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
> Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma
> per alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
>
> O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
>
> Andrea
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli
> <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it <mailto:Stefano@quintarelli.it>> wrote:
>
> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>
>
> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha
> scritto:
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>
>
> F.
>
>
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June 2, 2016
Irish Data Protection Authority to Refer Legality of Model Clauses to CJEU
by Alberto Cammozzo
With the Privacy Shield on hold, EU Model Clauses are the principal
legal means under which personal data transfers from Europe to the US
are occurring. However, those too are under attack by privacy advocates.
On May 25, 2016, the Irish Data Protection Authority issued a press
release stating its intention to seek declaratory relief in the Irish
High Court and a referral to the CJEU to determine the legal status of
data transfers under Standard Contractual Clauses. At issue is the
continued mass surveillance by the U.S. government, the same basis on
which the Safe Harbor arrangement was struck down.
[...]
<http://blogs.dlapiper.com/privacymatters/irish-data-protection-authority-to…>
June 2, 2016
Lunedì di Ermes - Spettro radio e 5G: criticità e sfide
by ermes@unina.it
Chiarissimi professori e gentili colleghi,
Ho piacere di invitarVi per conto del Direttore del Centro Ermes
(Centro Europeo di Ricerca sui Media per la Società
dell'Informazione), prof.ssa Giovanna De Minico, al terzo dei 'Lunedì
di Ermes', su 'Spettro radio e 5G: criticità e sfide', il 6 giugno
2016, ore 15.00, al Dipartimento di Giurisprudenza dell'Università
Federico II di Napoli, corso Umberto I, 40, in Aula Guarino. Si
confronteranno in un seminario informale due ingegneri, prof. L. Paura
e dott.ssa A.S. Cacciapuoti, e una giurista, dott.ssa M. Avvisati.
Per ulteriori informazioni, rinvio al programma su
http://www.ermes.unina.it/index.php/it/ o Vi invito a contattarci
all'indirizzo ermes(a)unina.it. Con l'occasione, segnalo che nella
sezione 'progetti' del sito www.ermes.unina.it sono disponibili
riprese audio integrali e materiali di approfondimento dei precedenti
incontri.
Cordialmente,
Maria Francesca De Tullio
June 2, 2016
Quadrature: "DIRECTIVE ON TERRORISM: THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AGAINST OUR FREEDOMS"
by J.C. DE MARTIN
*
Press Release
TAGS : SURVEILLANCE, NET FILTERING, TERRORISM, MONIKA HOHLMEIER
La Quadrature du Net -- For immediate release
Permanent link:
https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament-ag…
[1]
DIRECTIVE ON TERRORISM: THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AGAINST OUR FREEDOMS
Paris, 1st June 2016 -- Far from the French and European media spotlights,
a draft directive on terrorism [2] is being discussed at the European
Parliament and will be voted on 15 June. This directive, aiming to frame
the European counter-terrorism policies and laws, is crucial for Europeans
to enjoy their fundamental rights.
But the current political discussions and negotiations would lead to
widespread fiasco on freedoms and to an alignment of the worst policies
violating civil rights, especially on the Internet, through censorship and
surveillance. Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) must redress the
balance and strengthen the safeguards provided for the European citizens.
The draft [3] directive on terrorism was presented in December 2015 by the
European Commission. Initially, it was aiming at giving collective
definitions and an harmonised framework to ease the cooperation between
countries in the fight against terrorism and against its financing and to
provide assistance to victims. However, under the authority of the
rapporteur Monika Hohlmeier [4] (EPP - DE1 [5]), and with the support or
pressures of governments (especially French government), the text become
more stricter at the European Parliament and is heading towards a framework
for the whole European Union where the fight against terrorism will pick up
from everything La Quadrature du Net has been denouncing in France for 2
years: censorship of websites, attacks against encryption and right to
privacy, heavy electronic surveillance and lack of safeguards for civil
rights.
AT WHICH POINT ARE THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT?
The text will be voted by the Committee on Civil Liberties (LIBE [6]) on 15
June. This vote is crucial, it is where that the almost final version of
the text will be adopted. The amendments currently in discussion need to be
inspected every day to see where the provisions get better or worse. The
power balance is bad for civil rights advocates.
* the rapporteur Monika Hohlmeier [4] (EPP - DE) supports since the
beginning a hard line, continually strengthening surveillance and
censorship measures;
* the social-democrat left (S&D), represented by the shadow [7]
rapporteur Caterina Chinnici [8] (S&D - IT), is in a wait-and-see approach.
France is pressuring French socialist MEPs to endorse all the provisions
tabled by the right-wing group and the rapporteur doesn't seem to have any
intention to oppose the serious infringement of rights in the text;
* the centrist group (ALDE) carries a tradition of protecting civil
rights at the European Parliament. To us , the shadow rapporteur Petr Jezek
[9] (ALDE - CZ) seems too shy and needs to get more involved against the
EPP - S&D security alliance;
* on the Greens side, Eva Joly [10] (Greens/EFA - FR) knows as a
determined opponent to the French Surveillance Law and whose political
family opposed attacks on freedom of speech and surveillance, seem to be
off topic and does not oppose the worst provisions of the text. We need her
political group to take hold of the position for the Greens;
* only Cornelia Ernst [11] (GUE/NGL - DE) is clearly opposed to the
provisions of the text and is in favour of the defence of civil rights.
The situation is fragile: because of the moral and media pressure of the
terrorist risk, because of the pressure from governments (France in
particular) who want to cover their existing legislation in that directive,
the text is about to create a sort of umbrella legislation too wide and not
enough protective, and yet still targeting the Internet and fundamental
rights.
WHICH MEASURES OF THIS DRAFT DIRECTIVE ARE TARGETED BY LA QUADRATURE ?
La Quadrature du Net focused specifically on the compromise amendments2
[12] currently discussed. They affect fundamental rights on the Internet
and in electronic communications. Therefore, this is not the whole the
directive.
CONCERNING THE INFRINGEMENT OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
The compromise amendments 6 [13] (recital 7a and article 14a) aims to
establish all "measures to block access to webpages publicly inciting to
commit terrorist offences". It clearly opens the door to websites blocking,
which is a heavy infringement of freedom of speech and freedom of
information. And this without being actually efficient to fight terrorism,
as the French experience shows [14] since its implementation 18 months ago.
The text of the amendment does not foresee either any guarantee of
effective lega appeal nor any framing of this censorship by a judge. This
brings the European text closer to the French legislative framework and
because other European countries are ordered to apply these measures, it
will make them fall into the same trap: non-transparent censorship,
non-existing guarantees, marginal results.
In addition to encourage this kind of measures for Europe, when they were
only a French exception so far, MEPs suggest also that companies should be
held for responsible if they do not cooperate by deleting content or
blocking websites3 [15]. The last versions of the text required that
websites remove all the content following a request, without any guarantee,
under penalty of prosecutions. This is simply a destruction of the fragile
balance between responsibility of online content and fundamental rights4
[16].
ON ENCRYPTION AND ELECTRONIC EVIDENCES
The compromise amendment 10 establishing a recital 15b deals with
cooperation between Member States, Eurojust and Europol to collect, share
and make admissible electronic evidence5 [17], which means that it applies
to investigations and surveillance over networks. Now the text is too
vague. If cooperation between Member States can only be encouraged, the
current text is too vague. The amendments tabled by the rapporteur at the
beginning of the study of the text explicitly quoted Tor, VPNs and other
privacy protection tools as obstacles to investigations. If these tools are
no longer explicitly mentioned, it promises dangerous future provisions. At
a minimum, we should support these provisions with a clear definition of
the right to respect for privacy and the right to confidentiality of
electronic communications, reasserting the right to [18] encryption, the
right to anonymity and the right to use pseudonyms (see proposal [19] La
Quadrature du Net on surveillance).
ON NOTIONS OF ASSISTANCE AND COMPLICITY
The compromise amendment 4 concerns the assistance and complicity to
perpetration of terrorist infractions. Especially, recital 11 and article
16 are not sufficiently clear on the notion of intention, leaving a large
leeway for interpretations. Knowing that tools, in particular encryption
tools, can be used by terrorists cannot be sufficient to turn those who
make and share those tools into accomplices. It is absolutely necessary to
clarify the notion of complicity and implies that the accomplice has the
intention to give an assistance to the person directly involved with the
infraction. What would become a person that published a encrypted chat
service? What kind of responsibility is foreseen for a service such as Tor?
LA QUADRATURE DU NET REGRETS THE ESCALATION OF PROPOSALS APPROVING INTERNET
CENSORSHIP AND EXTREMELY INVASIVE SURVEILLANCE MEASURES WITHOUT ANY
SAFEGUARDS. BY NATURE, THIS TEXT WILL BE USED AS A FRAMEWORK AND GOAL FOR
ALL COUNTRIES OF THE EUROPEAN UNION. IT SHOULD THEREFORE BE STRICTLY
CONTROLLED TO PREVENT ANY DEVIATION AND ANY ESCALATION OF SURVEILLANCE
INFRINGING FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS, PILLAR OF THE VALUES OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.
_"IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR MEPS OF THE LIBE COMMITTEE TO RESTRICT THE APPETITE
FOR SECURITY OF THE RAPPORTEUR HOHLMEIER AND TO RESIST THE WISHES OF
COUNTRIES ALREADY ENGAGED IN THIS SPIRAL, LIKE FRANCE, WHO THUS SEEK TO
VALIDATE THEIR DANGEROUS STRATEGIES "_ says Agnès de Cornulier, in charge
of legal and political analysis at La Quadrature du Net.
Read our analysis [20] of the next of the directive on our wiki.
Follow compromise amendments [13] on our wiki.
* 1. [21] Usually MEPs are represented by the political group they belong
to [22], here the EPP, and by their Member State, here Germany
* 2. [23] Once the rapporteur presented his/her report (it means the
amendments he/she wants to submit to the vote) each MEPs is allowed to
submit amendments to the text too. Then after several meetings between the
rapporteur and the shadow rapporteurs, lead away from prying ears, the
rapporteur presents the compromise amendments but without publishing the
different versions and saying a word about the negotiations. This leave the
field free to undemocratic practices.
* 3. [24] This provision was proposed by Rachida Dati during the
preparation of her report [25] about terrorism which was adopted by the
European Parliament on 3 November 2015
* 4. [26] Meanwhile the European ombudsman publicly worries about the
opacity of the discussions between governments, EUROPOL and big internet
companies within the_Internet Forum_ define the rules of the fight against
hate speech outside any legal framework and without inviting the civil
society. This was denounced by EDRI [27]
* 5. [28] Written evidence is, according to the French Law [29], defined
as resulting "a sequence of letters, characters, numbers or any other signs
or symbols endowed with an intelligible meaning, whatever their support and
transmission procedure". The evidence is used to show the validity of an
agreement, a charge, etc. The written proof includes electronic evidence
ABOUT LA QUADRATURE DU NET
La Quadrature du Net is an advocacy group that defends the rights and
freedoms of citizens on the Internet. More specifically, it advocates for
the adaptation of French and European legislations to respect the founding
principles of the Internet, most notably the free circulation of knowledge.
> In addition to its advocacy work, the group also aims to foster a better
understanding of legislative processes among citizens. Through specific and
pertinent information and tools, La Quadrature du Net hopes to encourage
citizens' participation in the public debate on rights and freedoms in the
digital age.
La Quadrature du Net is supported by French, European and international
NGOs including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Open Society
Institute and Privacy International.
List of supporting organisations:
https://www.laquadrature.net/en/they-support-la-quadrature-du-net [30]
PRESS CONTACT AND PRESS ROOM
contact(a)laquadrature.net - +33 (0)972 294 426
https://www.laquadrature.net/en/press-room [31]
_To unsubscribe, click here [32]_
_La Quadrature du Net
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[1]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament-…
[2]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1464696371949&uri=CELEX:52015PC0625
[3]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52015PC0625&rid=1
[4]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/96780/MONIKA_HOHLMEIER_home.html
[5]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament-…
[6]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/libe/home.html
[7]https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Glossaire#Shadow_rapporteur
[8]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124861/CATERINA_CHINNICI_home.html
[9]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124707/PETR_JEZEK_home.html
[10]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/96883/EVA_JOLY_home.html
[11]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/96852/CORNELIA_ERNST_home.html
[12]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[13]https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Directive_Terrorisme/Amendements_LIBE/en
[14]https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Directive_Terrorisme/en#Net_censorship_and…
[15]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[16]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[17]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[18]https://blogs.mediapart.fr/edition/libres-enfants-du-numerique/article/050215/le-droit-lanonymat-et-au-chiffrement
[19]https://www.laquadrature.net/fr/node/9519
[20]https://wiki.laquadrature.net/Directive_Terrorisme/en
[21]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[22]http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/hemicycle.html
[23]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[24]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[25]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/mep-committee-libe-dati-report
[26]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[27]https://edri.org/commission-under-investigation-eu-internet-forum/
[28]https://www.laquadrature.net/en/terrorisme-directive-european-parliament…
[29]https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?idSectionTA=LEGISCTA000006165596&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006070721
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June 2, 2016
Re: [nexa] EU warns governments against banning Uber and Airbnb
by Andrea Glorioso
Caro Stefano,
Non sono certo di aver capito io cosa non hai capito tu :) ma la "novità" è
che la Commissione Europea ha detto agli Stati Membri di darsi una calmata
con gli istinti protezionisti e che esiste una cosa chiamata libera
concorrenza nel mercato interno...
Personalmente sono d'accordo che non sia una novità che la Commissione
Europea ricordi agli Stati Membri che esistono principi e regole, ma per
alcuni il concetto non era e non è chiarissimo.
O forse ho capito male io la tua domanda?
Andrea
On Wednesday, June 1, 2016, Stefano Quintarelli <Stefano(a)quintarelli.it>
wrote:
> Non è che abbia capito quale sia la novità...
>
>
> Il 1 giugno 2016 11:40:02 Fabio Chiusi <fabiochiusi(a)yahoo.it> ha scritto:
>
>
>> http://venturebeat.com/2016/05/31/eu-warns-governments-against-banning-uber…
>>
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> Inviato da iPhone
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>>
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