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September 2015
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Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by Luca De Biase
Domenica scorsa in materia è uscito un paginone su Nòva..
> Il giorno 22/set/2015, alle ore 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero <alessandro.mantelero(a)polito.it> ha scritto:
>
> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet and Society
> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law, Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute - Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
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Sept. 23, 2015
R: Happy Birthday è libera
by Fiorello Cortiana
Happy Birthday è una canzone libera, il giudice George King ha deciso che la canzone inventata da due maestre d'asilo nel 1893 è libera. Alla Warner se ne devono fare una ragione, la conoscenza è un Bene Comune.
Fiorello
Sept. 23, 2015
Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by Barbara Demo
non stupisce quando si continua ad avere il digitale in classe soltanto
come strumento. Da tempo anche i pedagogisti portano acqua al mulino di
chi sostiene "non come si è fatto finora" o non soltanto e soprattutto
non si valuti l' impatto del pensiero computazionale quando ancora
nelle scuole lo si è visto veramente pochissimo!
Si veda per esempio:
Maria Ranieri, Le insidie dell'ovvio Tecnologie educative e critica
della retorica tecnocentrica, ETS, 2011
Saluti, Barbara
Il 23/09/2015 10.50, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
> Sull'argomento ICT e didattica (incluso l'ultimo report OECD)
> consiglierei vivamente di leggere quello che scrive
> Larry Cuban, uno dei massimi esperti del settore,
> sul suo blog:
>
> https://larrycuban.wordpress.com/
>
> juan carlos
>
>
>
>
> On 23/09/15 10:24, meo wrote:
>> sarebbe interessante conoscere il rapporto ed i dati riportati e le
>> modalità di estrazione. Infatti altre fonti dicono il contrario.
>> Comunque, quel che conta non è l'investimento in hardware ma come lo
>> si fa. L'importante è insegnare l'informatica e non a usare il PC. Ad
>> esempio, il rapporto costi/benefici delle LIM mi sembra bassino.
>> Raf
>>
>> Il 22/09/2015 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero ha scritto:
>>> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
>>> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
>>> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet and
>>> Society
>>> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law,
>>> Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
>>> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute -
>>> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
>>>
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Sept. 23, 2015
Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Concordo con Alessandro, ma aggiungo ancora un commento
che mi sembra cruciale.
Se abbiamo X euro a disposizione da spendere per l'istruzione
dovremmo chiederci: qual è il modo migliore per spendere gli X euro?
Tablet? Banda larga? Laboratori informatici?
Palestre? Insegnanti meglio pagati? Biblioteche?
Bibliotecari? Borse di studio? Mense? Carta igienica nei bagni? Carta nelle
fotocopiatrici? ecc. ecc.
E se, come è probabile, gli X euro li vorremo ripartire in più voci,
quali sono i pesi migliori per ogni singola voce?
Dove "migliore" dovrebbe voler dire: "che beneficia maggiormente
gli studenti".
La risposta non può essere derivata risolvendo un'equazione
perché non tutti questi elementi sono
quantificabili/misurabili/comparabili,
quindi alla fine la decisione dovrà essere in parte qualitativa,
e in parte politica in senso lato.
La mia netta sensazione, però, è che in tutto il mondo da anni
/i politici//la domanda di cui sopra/ /non se la pongono affatto/
perché scelgono automaticamente il tablet (o la LIM, o altro dispositivi
ICT).
E il motivo è semplice: tablet e LIM sono "cool", fanno notizia,
li fa apparire moderni senza sforzo.
Li compri e voilà, puoi proclamare missione compiuta,
la scuola è finalmente nel 21° secolo (anche se le palestre poi
chiudono perché insicure: notizia dell'altro giorno nella scuola
delle mie figlie).
Gli stessi X euro spesi in controsoffitti, palestre, biblioteche,
stipendi per gli insegnanti, ecc., non avrebbero assolutamente
lo stesso ritorno d'immagine, anche se magari spenderli
in quel modo sarebbe forse la cosa migliore da fare
per beneficiare gli studenti al massimo.
In questo contesto, credo che noi informatici abbiamo il dovere
deontologico di porcela la domanda di cui sopra e poi di farci
le nostre idee in proposito, in modo da contestualizzare
lo specifico argomento dei dispositivi digitali in classe e relativi
pro e contro.
Un caro saluto,
juan carlos
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 10:44:29 +0200
> Giorgio Ventre <giorgio.ventre(a)unina.it> wrote:
>> Se mi consentite io la metterei anche su un altro piano.
>> In primo luogo, seguendo quanto dice Raffaele, altre fonti indicano
>> esattamente il contrario per cui occorre capire bene cosa si misura e
>> come lo si fa, incluso quali tecnologie sono state usate.
>> La LIM, per esempio, non mi piace ma ha un discreto potenziale.
>> Tuttavia viene di norma usata come un normale schermo per proiettare
>> slide.
>>
>> In secondo luogo, la domanda che ci dobbiamo porre è se possiamo
>> permetterci di non usare queste tecnologie nella didattica se
>> comunque nella vita di tutti i giorni le usiamo?
>> E' come se dicessimo che dato che il passaggio dalla penna ad
>> inchiostro liquido alla BIC non cambia le prestazioni degli studenti
>> allora ci teniamo pennini e boccette di inchiostro.
>>
>> L'ultima riflessione è che comunque la mia percezione è che tutte
>> queste tecnologie vengono usate con una approccio che rimane basato
>> sul classico modello lezione frontale/libro cartaceo con una mera
>> trasposizione al digitale .
>>
>> Ovviamente non entro nella questione insegnamento dell' informatica
>> e del pensiero computazionale che come sapete mi vede molto impegnato
>> e su posizioni molto nette. Si deve fare e basta !-))
>>
>> Un caro saluto a tutti
>> Giorgio
>>
>> ========================================================================
>> Prof. Ing. Giorgio Ventre
>> Dipartimento di Ingegneria Elettrica e Tecnologie dell'Informazione
>> Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II
>> Via Claudio 21
>> 80125, Napoli, Italy
>> Tel: +39 081 7683908 Fax: +39 081 7683816 Mob: +39 3807679372
>> E-mail: giorgio(a)unina.it
>> http://www.comics.unina.it
>> http://www.docenti.unina.it/giorgio.ventre
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>>
>> On 23/09/2015 10:24, meo wrote:
>>> sarebbe interessante conoscere il rapporto ed i dati riportati e le
>>> modalità di estrazione. Infatti altre fonti dicono il contrario.
>>> Comunque, quel che conta non è l'investimento in hardware ma come lo
>>> si fa. L'importante è insegnare l'informatica e non a usare il PC.
>>> Ad esempio, il rapporto costi/benefici delle LIM mi sembra bassino.
>>> Raf
>>>
>>> Il 22/09/2015 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero ha scritto:
>>>> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
>>>> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
>>>> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet
>>>> and Society
>>>> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law,
>>>> Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
>>>> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute -
>>>> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
>>>>
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> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet and
> Society
> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law,
> Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute - Universitat
> Oberta de Catalunya
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Sept. 23, 2015
Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by Alessandro Mantelero
Ciao Giorgio,
a me pare che il rapporto non contrasti con quanto tu
dici, anzi sia in linea.
Il punto che, mi sembra, voglia sottolineare è che
l'investimento in IT deve essere posto in un contesto
educativo coerente e bilanciato.
Direi che, semplificando, il messaggio è che +IT non è
uguale a +risultati. In questo senso il rapporto mi pare
vada molto nell'ottica dell'uso dell'IT, ma con
consapevolezza e competenza.
Per dirla all'italiana, non serve un tablet per ogni
studente se poi chi insegna non ha la preparazione
adeguata per sfruttare le tecnologie digitali ed
integrarle con l'esperienza educativa di altra natura
("technology can amplify great teaching, but great
teaching cannot replace poor teaching. In schools as well
as in other organizations, technology often increases the
efficiency of already-efficient process, but it may also
make inefficient processes even more so").
Una nota: spiace che l'OECD, un'organizzazione creata da
stati, protegga con DRM i propri report!
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 10:44:29 +0200
Giorgio Ventre <giorgio.ventre(a)unina.it> wrote:
> Se mi consentite io la metterei anche su un altro piano.
> In primo luogo, seguendo quanto dice Raffaele, altre
>fonti indicano esattamente il contrario per cui occorre
>capire bene cosa si misura e come lo si fa, incluso quali
>tecnologie sono state usate.
> La LIM, per esempio, non mi piace ma ha un discreto
>potenziale. Tuttavia viene di norma usata come un normale
>schermo per proiettare slide.
>
> In secondo luogo, la domanda che ci dobbiamo porre è se
>possiamo permetterci di non usare queste tecnologie nella
>didattica se comunque nella vita di tutti i giorni le
>usiamo?
> E' come se dicessimo che dato che il passaggio dalla
>penna ad inchiostro liquido alla BIC non cambia le
>prestazioni degli studenti allora ci teniamo pennini e
>boccette di inchiostro.
>
> L'ultima riflessione è che comunque la mia percezione è
>che tutte queste tecnologie vengono usate con una
>approccio che rimane basato sul classico modello lezione
>frontale/libro cartaceo con una mera trasposizione al
>digitale .
>
> Ovviamente non entro nella questione insegnamento dell'
>informatica e del pensiero computazionale che come sapete
>mi vede molto impegnato e su posizioni molto nette. Si
>deve fare e basta !-))
>
> Un caro saluto a tutti
> Giorgio
>
> ========================================================================
> Prof. Ing. Giorgio Ventre
> Dipartimento di Ingegneria Elettrica e Tecnologie
>dell'Informazione
> Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II
> Via Claudio 21
> 80125, Napoli, Italy
> Tel: +39 081 7683908 Fax: +39 081 7683816 Mob: +39
>3807679372
> E-mail: giorgio(a)unina.it
> http://www.comics.unina.it
> http://www.docenti.unina.it/giorgio.ventre
> ========================================================================
>
> On 23/09/2015 10:24, meo wrote:
>> sarebbe interessante conoscere il rapporto ed i dati
>>riportati e le modalità di estrazione. Infatti altre
>>fonti dicono il contrario.
>> Comunque, quel che conta non è l'investimento in
>>hardware ma come lo si fa. L'importante è insegnare
>>l'informatica e non a usare il PC. Ad esempio, il
>>rapporto costi/benefici delle LIM mi sembra bassino.
>> Raf
>>
>> Il 22/09/2015 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero ha scritto:
>>> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
>>> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
>>> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for
>>>Internet and Society
>>> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP
>>>Law, Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
>>> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute
>>>- Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
>>>
>>> http://staff.polito.it/alessandro.mantelero
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Internet and Society
Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP
Law, Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
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Re: [nexa] EUCoJ - Advocate General's Opinion on Safe Harbor (Case C-362/14)
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Link al PDF: http://t.co/thfRzFvGeP
On 23/09/15 12:15, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:
>
> Court of Justice of the European Union
>
> PRESS RELEASE No 106/15
>
> Luxembourg, 23 September 2015
>
> Advocate General’s Opinion in Case C-362/14 Press and Information
> Maximillian Schrems v Data Protection Commissioner
>
> *According to Advocate General Bot, the Commission decision finding
> that the protection of personal data in the United States is adequate
> does not prevent national authorities from suspending the transfer of
> the data of European Facebook subscribers to servers located in the
> United States *
>
> The Advocate General considers furthermore that the Commission
> decision is invalid
>
> The Data Protection Directive1 provides that the transfer of personal
> data to a third country may take place only if the third country in
> question ensures an adequate level of data protection. The directive
> also provides that the Commission may find that a third country
> ensures an adequate level of protection. If the Commission adopts a
> decision to that effect, the transfer of personal data to the third
> country concerned may take place.
>
> Maximillian Schrems, an Austrian citizen, has been a Facebook user
> since 2008. As is the case with other subscribers residing in the EU,
> some or all of the data provided by Mr Schrems to Facebook is
> transferred from Facebook’s Irish subsidiary to servers located in the
> United States, where it is kept. Mr Schrems lodged a complaint with
> the Irish data protection authority (the Data Protection
> Commissioner), taking the view that, in the light of the revelations
> made in 2013 by Edward Snowden concerning the activities of the United
> States intelligence services (in particular the National Security
> Agency ‘the NSA’), the law and practices of the United States offer no
> real protection against surveillance by the United States of the data
> transferred to that country. The Irish authority rejected the
> complaint, on the ground, in particular, that in a decision of 26 July
> 20002 the Commission considered that, under the ‘safe harbour’
> scheme,3 the United States ensures an adequate level of protection of
> the personal data transferred.
>
> The High Court of Ireland, before which the case has been brought,
> wishes to ascertain whether that Commission decision has the effect of
> preventing a national supervisory authority from investigating a
> complaint alleging that the third country does not ensure an adequate
> level of protection and, where appropriate, from suspending the
> contested transfer of data.
>
> In today’s Opinion, Advocate General Yves Bot takes the view that the
> existence of a Commission decision finding that a third country
> ensures an adequate level of protection of the personal data
> transferred cannot eliminate or even reduce the national supervisory
> authorities’ powers under the directive on the processing of personal
> data. He considers furthermore that the Commission decision is invalid.
>
> The Advocate General states first of all that, in the light of the
> importance of the role played by the national supervisory authorities
> with regard to data protection, their powers of intervention must
> remain intact. If the national supervisory authorities were absolutely
> bound by decisions adopted by the Commission, which would inevitably
> limit the total independence to which they are entitled
>
> 1 Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of
> 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the
> processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data (OJ
> 1995 L 281, p. 31).
> 2 Commission Decision 2000/520/EC of 26 July 2000 pursuant to
> Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council on
> the adequacy of the protection provided by the safe harbour privacy
> principles and related frequently asked questions issued by the US
> Department of Commerce (OJ 2000 L 215, p. 7).
>
> 3 The safe harbour scheme includes a series of principles concerning
> the protection of personal data to which American undertakings may
> subscribe voluntarily.
>
> www.curia.europa.eu
>
> under the directive. The Advocate General thus draws the conclusion
> that, if a national supervisory authority considers that a transfer of
> data undermines the protection of citizens of the EU as regards the
> processing of their data, it has the power to suspend that transfer,
> irrespective of the general assessment made by the Commission in its
> decision. The power conferred by the directive on the Commission does
> not affect the powers which the directive has conferred on the
> national supervisory authorities. In other words, the Commission is
> not empowered to restrict the powers of the national supervisory
> authorities.
>
> While the Advocate General acknowledges that the national supervisory
> authorities are legally bound by the Commission decision, he
> considers, however, that such a binding effect cannot require
> complaints to be rejected summarily, that is to say, immediately and
> without any examination of their merits, in particular as the
> competence to find that a level of protection is adequate is one that
> is shared between the Member States and the Commission. A Commission
> decision does, admittedly, play an important role in ensuring
> uniformity in the conditions governing transfers that are applicable
> within the Member States, but that uniformity can continue only while
> that finding is not called into question, including in the context of
> a complaint which the national supervisory authorities must deal with
> under the investigative and banning powers that they are granted by
> the directive.
>
> Furthermore, according to the Advocate General, where systemic
> deficiencies are found in the third country to which the personal data
> is transferred, the Member States must be able to take the measures
> necessary to safeguard the fundamental rights protected by the Charter
> of Fundamental Rights of the EU, which include the right to respect
> for private and family life and the right to the protection of
> personal data.
>
> Given the doubts expressed during the present proceedings as to the
> validity of Decision 2000/520, the Advocate General considers that the
> Court should determine this issue and he comes to the conclusion that
> the decision is invalid. It is apparent from the findings of the High
> Court of Ireland and of the Commission itself that the law and
> practice of the United States allow the large-scale collection of the
> personal data of citizens of the EU which is transferred, without
> those citizens benefiting from effective judicial protection. Those
> findings of fact demonstrate that the Commission decision does not
> contain sufficient guarantees. Owing to that lack of guarantees, that
> decision has been implemented in a manner which does not satisfy the
> requirements of the directive or the Charter.
>
> The Advocate General considers furthermore that the access enjoyed by
> the United States intelligence services to the transferred data
> constitutes an interference with the right to respect for private life
> and the right to protection of personal data, which are guaranteed by
> the Charter. Likewise, the inability of citizens of the EU to be heard
> on the question of the surveillance and interception of their data in
> the United States amounts, in the Advocate General’s view, to an
> interference with the right of EU citizens of the to an effective
> remedy, protected by the Charter.
>
> According to the Advocate General, that interference with fundamental
> rights is contrary to the principle of proportionality, in particular
> because the surveillance carried out by the United States intelligence
> services is mass, indiscriminate surveillance. Indeed, the access
> which the United States intelligence authorities may have to the
> personal data covers, in a generalised manner, all persons and all
> means of electronic communication and all the data transferred
> (including the content of the communications), without any
> differentiation, limitation or exception according to the objective of
> general interest pursued. The Advocate General considers that, in
> those circumstances, a third country cannot in any event be regarded
> as ensuring an adequate level of protection, and this is all the more
> so since the safe harbour scheme as defined in the Commission decision
> does not contain any appropriate guarantees for preventing mass and
> generalised access to the transferred data. Indeed, no independent
> authority is able to monitor, in the United States, breaches of the
> principles for the protection of personal data committed by public
> actors, such as the United States security agencies, in respect of
> citizens of the EU.
>
> www.curia.europa.eu
>
> Given such a finding of infringements of the fundamental rights of
> citizens of the Union, according to the Advocate General the
> Commission ought to have suspended the application of the decision,
> even though it is currently conducting negotiations with the United
> States in order to put an end to the shortcomings found. The Advocate
> General indeed observes that, if the Commission decided to enter into
> negotiations with the United States, that is because it considered
> beforehand that the level of protection ensured by that third country,
> under the safe harbour scheme, was no longer adequate and that the
> decision adopted in 2000 was no longer adapted to the reality of the
> situation.
>
> NOTE: The Advocate General’s Opinion is not binding on the Court of
> Justice. It is the role of the Advocates General to propose to the
> Court, in complete independence, a legal solution to the cases for
> which they are responsible. The Judges of the Court are now beginning
> their deliberations in this case. Judgment will be given at a later date.
>
> NOTE: A reference for a preliminary ruling allows the courts and
> tribunals of the Member States, in disputes which have been brought
> before them, to refer questions to the Court of Justice about the
> interpretation of European Union law or the validity of a European
> Union act. The Court of Justice does not decide the dispute itself. It
> is for the national court or tribunal to dispose of the case in
> accordance with the Court’s decision, which is similarly binding on
> other national courts or tribunals before which a similar issue is
> raised.
>
> Unofficial document for media use, not binding on the Court of Justice.
> The full text of the Opinion is published on the CURIA website on the
> day of delivery.
> Press contact: Christopher Fretwell(+352) 4303 3355
> Pictures of the delivery of the Opinion are available from "Europe by
> Satellite"(+32) 2 2964106
>
> According to Advocate General Bot, the Commission decision finding
> that the protection of personal data in the United States is adequate
> does not prevent national authorities from suspending the transfer of
> the data of European Facebook subscribers to servers located in the
> United States
>
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Sept. 23, 2015
EUCoJ - Advocate General's Opinion on Safe Harbor (Case C-362/14)
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Court of Justice of the European Union
PRESS RELEASE No 106/15
Luxembourg, 23 September 2015
Advocate General’s Opinion in Case C-362/14 Press and Information
Maximillian Schrems v Data Protection Commissioner
*According to Advocate General Bot, the Commission decision finding that
the protection of personal data in the United States is adequate does
not prevent national authorities from suspending the transfer of the
data of European Facebook subscribers to servers located in the United
States *
The Advocate General considers furthermore that the Commission decision
is invalid
The Data Protection Directive1 provides that the transfer of personal
data to a third country may take place only if the third country in
question ensures an adequate level of data protection. The directive
also provides that the Commission may find that a third country ensures
an adequate level of protection. If the Commission adopts a decision to
that effect, the transfer of personal data to the third country
concerned may take place.
Maximillian Schrems, an Austrian citizen, has been a Facebook user since
2008. As is the case with other subscribers residing in the EU, some or
all of the data provided by Mr Schrems to Facebook is transferred from
Facebook’s Irish subsidiary to servers located in the United States,
where it is kept. Mr Schrems lodged a complaint with the Irish data
protection authority (the Data Protection Commissioner), taking the view
that, in the light of the revelations made in 2013 by Edward Snowden
concerning the activities of the United States intelligence services (in
particular the National Security Agency ‘the NSA’), the law and
practices of the United States offer no real protection against
surveillance by the United States of the data transferred to that
country. The Irish authority rejected the complaint, on the ground, in
particular, that in a decision of 26 July 20002 the Commission
considered that, under the ‘safe harbour’ scheme,3 the United States
ensures an adequate level of protection of the personal data transferred.
The High Court of Ireland, before which the case has been brought,
wishes to ascertain whether that Commission decision has the effect of
preventing a national supervisory authority from investigating a
complaint alleging that the third country does not ensure an adequate
level of protection and, where appropriate, from suspending the
contested transfer of data.
In today’s Opinion, Advocate General Yves Bot takes the view that the
existence of a Commission decision finding that a third country ensures
an adequate level of protection of the personal data transferred cannot
eliminate or even reduce the national supervisory authorities’ powers
under the directive on the processing of personal data. He considers
furthermore that the Commission decision is invalid.
The Advocate General states first of all that, in the light of the
importance of the role played by the national supervisory authorities
with regard to data protection, their powers of intervention must remain
intact. If the national supervisory authorities were absolutely bound by
decisions adopted by the Commission, which would inevitably limit the
total independence to which they are entitled
1 Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24
October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the
processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data (OJ
1995 L 281, p. 31).
2 Commission Decision 2000/520/EC of 26 July 2000 pursuant to Directive
95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council on the adequacy
of the protection provided by the safe harbour privacy principles and
related frequently asked questions issued by the US Department of
Commerce (OJ 2000 L 215, p. 7).
3 The safe harbour scheme includes a series of principles concerning the
protection of personal data to which American undertakings may subscribe
voluntarily.
www.curia.europa.eu
under the directive. The Advocate General thus draws the conclusion
that, if a national supervisory authority considers that a transfer of
data undermines the protection of citizens of the EU as regards the
processing of their data, it has the power to suspend that transfer,
irrespective of the general assessment made by the Commission in its
decision. The power conferred by the directive on the Commission does
not affect the powers which the directive has conferred on the national
supervisory authorities. In other words, the Commission is not empowered
to restrict the powers of the national supervisory authorities.
While the Advocate General acknowledges that the national supervisory
authorities are legally bound by the Commission decision, he considers,
however, that such a binding effect cannot require complaints to be
rejected summarily, that is to say, immediately and without any
examination of their merits, in particular as the competence to find
that a level of protection is adequate is one that is shared between the
Member States and the Commission. A Commission decision does,
admittedly, play an important role in ensuring uniformity in the
conditions governing transfers that are applicable within the Member
States, but that uniformity can continue only while that finding is not
called into question, including in the context of a complaint which the
national supervisory authorities must deal with under the investigative
and banning powers that they are granted by the directive.
Furthermore, according to the Advocate General, where systemic
deficiencies are found in the third country to which the personal data
is transferred, the Member States must be able to take the measures
necessary to safeguard the fundamental rights protected by the Charter
of Fundamental Rights of the EU, which include the right to respect for
private and family life and the right to the protection of personal data.
Given the doubts expressed during the present proceedings as to the
validity of Decision 2000/520, the Advocate General considers that the
Court should determine this issue and he comes to the conclusion that
the decision is invalid. It is apparent from the findings of the High
Court of Ireland and of the Commission itself that the law and practice
of the United States allow the large-scale collection of the personal
data of citizens of the EU which is transferred, without those citizens
benefiting from effective judicial protection. Those findings of fact
demonstrate that the Commission decision does not contain sufficient
guarantees. Owing to that lack of guarantees, that decision has been
implemented in a manner which does not satisfy the requirements of the
directive or the Charter.
The Advocate General considers furthermore that the access enjoyed by
the United States intelligence services to the transferred data
constitutes an interference with the right to respect for private life
and the right to protection of personal data, which are guaranteed by
the Charter. Likewise, the inability of citizens of the EU to be heard
on the question of the surveillance and interception of their data in
the United States amounts, in the Advocate General’s view, to an
interference with the right of EU citizens of the to an effective
remedy, protected by the Charter.
According to the Advocate General, that interference with fundamental
rights is contrary to the principle of proportionality, in particular
because the surveillance carried out by the United States intelligence
services is mass, indiscriminate surveillance. Indeed, the access which
the United States intelligence authorities may have to the personal data
covers, in a generalised manner, all persons and all means of electronic
communication and all the data transferred (including the content of the
communications), without any differentiation, limitation or exception
according to the objective of general interest pursued. The Advocate
General considers that, in those circumstances, a third country cannot
in any event be regarded as ensuring an adequate level of protection,
and this is all the more so since the safe harbour scheme as defined in
the Commission decision does not contain any appropriate guarantees for
preventing mass and generalised access to the transferred data. Indeed,
no independent authority is able to monitor, in the United States,
breaches of the principles for the protection of personal data committed
by public actors, such as the United States security agencies, in
respect of citizens of the EU.
www.curia.europa.eu
Given such a finding of infringements of the fundamental rights of
citizens of the Union, according to the Advocate General the Commission
ought to have suspended the application of the decision, even though it
is currently conducting negotiations with the United States in order to
put an end to the shortcomings found. The Advocate General indeed
observes that, if the Commission decided to enter into negotiations with
the United States, that is because it considered beforehand that the
level of protection ensured by that third country, under the safe
harbour scheme, was no longer adequate and that the decision adopted in
2000 was no longer adapted to the reality of the situation.
NOTE: The Advocate General’s Opinion is not binding on the Court of
Justice. It is the role of the Advocates General to propose to the
Court, in complete independence, a legal solution to the cases for which
they are responsible. The Judges of the Court are now beginning their
deliberations in this case. Judgment will be given at a later date.
NOTE: A reference for a preliminary ruling allows the courts and
tribunals of the Member States, in disputes which have been brought
before them, to refer questions to the Court of Justice about the
interpretation of European Union law or the validity of a European Union
act. The Court of Justice does not decide the dispute itself. It is for
the national court or tribunal to dispose of the case in accordance with
the Court’s decision, which is similarly binding on other national
courts or tribunals before which a similar issue is raised.
Unofficial document for media use, not binding on the Court of Justice.
The full text of the Opinion is published on the CURIA website on the
day of delivery.
Press contact: Christopher Fretwell(+352) 4303 3355
Pictures of the delivery of the Opinion are available from "Europe by
Satellite"(+32) 2 2964106
According to Advocate General Bot, the Commission decision finding that
the protection of personal data in the United States is adequate does
not prevent national authorities from suspending the transfer of the
data of European Facebook subscribers to servers located in the United
States
Sept. 23, 2015
Fwd: rapporto OCSE
by meo
molto gentilmente Marco Ajmone Marsan mi ha mandato questo rapporto che
mi pare, molto interessante.
Raf
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Oggetto: rapporto OCSE
Rispedito-Data: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 10:40:02 +0200
Rispedito-Da: d000704(a)polito.it
Data: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 10:39:38 +0200
Mittente: Marco Ajmone Marsan <ajmone(a)polito.it>
Organizzazione: Dip. Elettronica - Politecnico di Torino
A: meo(a)polito.it
in allegato.
ciao.
marco
Sept. 23, 2015
Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Sull'argomento ICT e didattica (incluso l'ultimo report OECD)
consiglierei vivamente di leggere quello che scrive
Larry Cuban, uno dei massimi esperti del settore,
sul suo blog:
https://larrycuban.wordpress.com/
juan carlos
On 23/09/15 10:24, meo wrote:
> sarebbe interessante conoscere il rapporto ed i dati riportati e le
> modalità di estrazione. Infatti altre fonti dicono il contrario.
> Comunque, quel che conta non è l'investimento in hardware ma come lo
> si fa. L'importante è insegnare l'informatica e non a usare il PC. Ad
> esempio, il rapporto costi/benefici delle LIM mi sembra bassino.
> Raf
>
> Il 22/09/2015 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero ha scritto:
>> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
>> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
>> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet and
>> Society
>> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law,
>> Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
>> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute -
>> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
>>
>> http://staff.polito.it/alessandro.mantelero
>> http://nexa.polito.it/people/amantelero
>>
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Sept. 23, 2015
Re: [nexa] Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
by Giorgio Ventre
Se mi consentite io la metterei anche su un altro piano.
In primo luogo, seguendo quanto dice Raffaele, altre fonti indicano
esattamente il contrario per cui occorre capire bene cosa si misura e
come lo si fa, incluso quali tecnologie sono state usate.
La LIM, per esempio, non mi piace ma ha un discreto potenziale. Tuttavia
viene di norma usata come un normale schermo per proiettare slide.
In secondo luogo, la domanda che ci dobbiamo porre è se possiamo
permetterci di non usare queste tecnologie nella didattica se comunque
nella vita di tutti i giorni le usiamo?
E' come se dicessimo che dato che il passaggio dalla penna ad inchiostro
liquido alla BIC non cambia le prestazioni degli studenti allora ci
teniamo pennini e boccette di inchiostro.
L'ultima riflessione è che comunque la mia percezione è che tutte queste
tecnologie vengono usate con una approccio che rimane basato sul
classico modello lezione frontale/libro cartaceo con una mera
trasposizione al digitale .
Ovviamente non entro nella questione insegnamento dell' informatica e
del pensiero computazionale che come sapete mi vede molto impegnato e su
posizioni molto nette. Si deve fare e basta !-))
Un caro saluto a tutti
Giorgio
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On 23/09/2015 10:24, meo wrote:
> sarebbe interessante conoscere il rapporto ed i dati riportati e le
> modalità di estrazione. Infatti altre fonti dicono il contrario.
> Comunque, quel che conta non è l'investimento in hardware ma come lo
> si fa. L'importante è insegnare l'informatica e non a usare il PC. Ad
> esempio, il rapporto costi/benefici delle LIM mi sembra bassino.
> Raf
>
> Il 22/09/2015 23:29, Alessandro Mantelero ha scritto:
>> Computers 'do not improve' pupil results, says OECD
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34174796
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Avv. Alessandro Mantelero
>> Full-Tenured Aggregate Professor, Politecnico di Torino
>> Director of Privacy and Faculty Fellow, Nexa Center for Internet and
>> Society
>> Coordinator, Double Degree program in Management and IP Law,
>> Politecnico di Torino–Tongji University of Shanghai
>> Visiting Professor, Internet Interdisciplinary Institute -
>> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya
>>
>> http://staff.polito.it/alessandro.mantelero
>> http://nexa.polito.it/people/amantelero
>>
>> EMAIL POLICY: twice a day (Mon-Fri)
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