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Re: [nexa] ChatGPT e la stanza cinese
by 380°
Buongiorno,
grazie per i riferimenti!
Daniela Tafani <daniela.tafani(a)unipi.it> writes:
[...]
> Smonta l'AI hype, passo per passo, Emily Bender:
> <https://nitter.snopyta.org/emilymbender/status/1640920936600997889>
/smontare/ passo per passo è molto hacker, l'unica cosa seria che si può
fare... con *tutto*
dei tweet citati sopra sottolineo:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Next paragraph. Human-competitive at general tasks, eh? What does
footnote 3 reference? The speculative fiction novella known as the
"Sparks paper" ([1], n.d.r.) and OpenAI's non-technical ad copy for GPT4
([2], n.d.r.).
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Forse che i profeti della intelligenza artificiale generale (stocastica)
se la cantano e se la suonano?
un saluto, 380°
[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712
[2] https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf
--
380° (Giovanni Biscuolo public alter ego)
«Noi, incompetenti come siamo,
non abbiamo alcun titolo per suggerire alcunché»
Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice
but very few check the facts. Ask me about <https://stallmansupport.org>.
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
by Stefano Zacchiroli
Aspetto che trovo insopportabile di questa lettera: il claim (falso) "Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks" è supportato bibliograficamente da ricerca svolta da investitori in OpenAI (e non peer reviewed).
Quindi la lettera che si auto promuove come "contro", contribuisce in realtà ad alimentare lo hype dei prodotti che vorrebbe rallentare.
Come astroturfing abbiamo visto di meglio...
On March 29, 2023 8:47:53 AM GMT+02:00, "J.C. DE MARTIN" <juancarlos.demartin(a)polito.it> wrote:
>Primi firmatari: Yoshua Bengio, Stuart Russell, Elon Musk, Steve Wozniak.
>
>jc*
>
>Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter**
>*
>/We call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.
>/
>
>https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
>
>//
>
>AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity, as shown by extensive research^[1] and acknowledged by top AI labs.^[2] As stated in the widely-endorsed Asilomar AI Principles <https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/ai-principles/>, /Advanced AI could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth, and should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources/. Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is not happening, even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control.
>
>Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks,^[3] and we must ask ourselves: /Should/ we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? /Should/ we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? /Should/ we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us? /Should/ we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders. *Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable.* This confidence must be well justified and increase with the magnitude of a system's potential effects. OpenAI's recent statement regarding artificial general intelligence <https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond>, states that /"At some point, it may be important to get independent review before starting to train future systems, and for the most advanced efforts to agree to limit the rate of growth of compute used for creating new models."/ We agree. That point is now.
>
>Therefore, *we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4*. This pause should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and institute a moratorium.
>
>AI labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly develop and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI design and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by independent outside experts. These protocols should ensure that systems adhering to them are safe beyond a reasonable doubt.^[4] This does /not/ mean a pause on AI development in general, merely a stepping back from the dangerous race to ever-larger unpredictable black-box models with emergent capabilities.
>
>AI research and development should be refocused on making today's powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal.
>
>In parallel, AI developers must work with policymakers to dramatically accelerate development of robust AI governance systems. These should at a minimum include: new and capable regulatory authorities dedicated to AI; oversight and tracking of highly capable AI systems and large pools of computational capability; provenance and watermarking systems to help distinguish real from synthetic and to track model leaks; a robust auditing and certification ecosystem; liability for AI-caused harm; robust public funding for technical AI safety research; and well-resourced institutions for coping with the dramatic economic and political disruptions (especially to democracy) that AI will cause.
>
>Humanity can enjoy a flourishing future with AI. Having succeeded in creating powerful AI systems, we can now enjoy an "AI summer" in which we reap the rewards, engineer these systems for the clear benefit of all, and give society a chance to adapt. Society has hit pause on other technologies with potentially catastrophic effects on society.^[5] We can do so here. Let's enjoy a long AI summer, not rush unprepared into a fall.
>
--
Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse my brevity and top-posting.
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
by Diego Giorio
Sono l'unico ad essere pessimista sull'effettiva possibilità di fermare/sospendere la corsa all'AI?
Buona giornata
D.
________________________________
From: nexa <nexa-bounces(a)server-nexa.polito.it> on behalf of J.C. DE MARTIN <juancarlos.demartin(a)polito.it>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 7:09 AM
To: nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it>
Subject: Re: [nexa] Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
Alcuni commenti di Emily M. Bender (Univ. of Washington):
https://twitter.com/emilymbender/status/1640920936600997889?s=61&t=47Wex2-4…
jc
On 29/03/23 08:47, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:
Primi firmatari: Yoshua Bengio, Stuart Russell, Elon Musk, Steve Wozniak.
jc
Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
We call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.
https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity, as shown by extensive research[1] and acknowledged by top AI labs.[2] As stated in the widely-endorsed Asilomar AI Principles<https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/ai-principles/>, Advanced AI could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth, and should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources. Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is not happening, even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control.
Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks,[3] and we must ask ourselves: Should we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? Should we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders. Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable. This confidence must be well justified and increase with the magnitude of a system's potential effects. OpenAI's recent statement regarding artificial general intelligence<https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond>, states that "At some point, it may be important to get independent review before starting to train future systems, and for the most advanced efforts to agree to limit the rate of growth of compute used for creating new models." We agree. That point is now.
Therefore, we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4. This pause should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and institute a moratorium.
AI labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly develop and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI design and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by independent outside experts. These protocols should ensure that systems adhering to them are safe beyond a reasonable doubt.[4] This does not mean a pause on AI development in general, merely a stepping back from the dangerous race to ever-larger unpredictable black-box models with emergent capabilities.
AI research and development should be refocused on making today's powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable, transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal.
In parallel, AI developers must work with policymakers to dramatically accelerate development of robust AI governance systems. These should at a minimum include: new and capable regulatory authorities dedicated to AI; oversight and tracking of highly capable AI systems and large pools of computational capability; provenance and watermarking systems to help distinguish real from synthetic and to track model leaks; a robust auditing and certification ecosystem; liability for AI-caused harm; robust public funding for technical AI safety research; and well-resourced institutions for coping with the dramatic economic and political disruptions (especially to democracy) that AI will cause.
Humanity can enjoy a flourishing future with AI. Having succeeded in creating powerful AI systems, we can now enjoy an "AI summer" in which we reap the rewards, engineer these systems for the clear benefit of all, and give society a chance to adapt. Society has hit pause on other technologies with potentially catastrophic effects on society.[5] We can do so here. Let's enjoy a long AI summer, not rush unprepared into a fall.
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March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] [OT] Re: riflessioni su SALAMI e dintorni (era: ChatGPT e la stanza cinese)
by D. Davide Lamanna
On 3/28/23 17:51, 380° wrote:
> Buongiorno,
>
> Stefano Quintarelli <stefano(a)quintarelli.it> writes:
>
>> sto vedendo una startup che usa NLP in uno spreadsheet.
> oh mamma mi vengono i brividi: già i fogli di calcolo sono
> **pericolosi** da soli, messi assieme a NLP diventano /automaticamente/
> "Weapons of Math Destruction"! :-O
>
>> "Dammi il prodotto dei due numeri maggior di questa lista"
>> "prendi tutte le date in questa lista e convertile in anno mese
>> giorno"
> ma non si fa prima a scrivere una funzioncina in un linguaggio di
> programmazione (ad alto livello) /a caso/ (usando qualche libreria,
> magari)?
Forse. Ma il mondo va in un'altra direzione. Del resto lo sviluppo dei
linguaggi di programmazione è proceduto - e procede - per astrazioni
successive, che partono dal linguaggio macchina, faticoso da gestire per
un umano (tempi di sviluppo lunghissimi), e procedono verso linguaggi ad
alto o ad altissimo livello, creati per differenti scopi. Obiettivi
comuni di questa evoluzione, mi pare, siano quelli di (i) rendere
progressivamente più piacevole/adatto (per l'umano) e (ii) efficace per
il particolare scopo (e dunque per la macchina in astratto) il
compimento di azioni di computazione. Se ora i linguaggi sono praticati
da macchine, che li compongono su indicazione umana, potrebbe succedere
che in futuro i nuovi linguaggi - e le nuove versioni dei linguaggi
esistenti - virino verso l'adattamento alla macchina, piuttosto che
verso l'adattamento all'umano. Potrebbe quindi cominciare una evoluzione
di segno diverso per il processo di astrazione così come lo conosciamo
oggi. Nel tempo questo potrebbe estremizzare la perdita di conoscenza
degli strati inferiori di astrazione e il controllo sulla direzioni
politiche della tecnologia.
D.
(null)
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Alcuni commenti di Emily M. Bender (Univ. of Washington):
https://twitter.com/emilymbender/status/1640920936600997889?s=61&t=47Wex2-4…
jc
On 29/03/23 08:47, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:
> Primi firmatari: Yoshua Bengio, Stuart Russell, Elon Musk, Steve Wozniak.
>
> jc*
>
> Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter**
> *
> /We call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the
> training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.
> /
>
> https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
>
> AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks
> to society and humanity, as shown by extensive research^[1] and
> acknowledged by top AI labs.^[2] As stated in the widely-endorsed
> Asilomar AI Principles
> <https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/ai-principles/>, /Advanced AI
> could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth, and
> should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and
> resources/. Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is
> not happening, even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in
> an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful
> digital minds that no one – not even their creators – can understand,
> predict, or reliably control.
>
> Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general
> tasks,^[3] and we must ask ourselves: /Should/ we let machines flood
> our information channels with propaganda and untruth? /Should/ we
> automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? /Should/ we
> develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber,
> outsmart, obsolete and replace us? /Should/ we risk loss of control of
> our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected
> tech leaders. *Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we
> are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will
> be manageable.* This confidence must be well justified and increase
> with the magnitude of a system's potential effects. OpenAI's recent
> statement regarding artificial general intelligence
> <https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond>, states that
> /"At some point, it may be important to get independent review before
> starting to train future systems, and for the most advanced efforts to
> agree to limit the rate of growth of compute used for creating new
> models."/ We agree. That point is now.
>
> Therefore, *we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6
> months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4*. This
> pause should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If
> such a pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and
> institute a moratorium.
>
> AI labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly
> develop and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI
> design and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by
> independent outside experts. These protocols should ensure that
> systems adhering to them are safe beyond a reasonable doubt.^[4] This
> does /not/ mean a pause on AI development in general, merely a
> stepping back from the dangerous race to ever-larger unpredictable
> black-box models with emergent capabilities.
>
> AI research and development should be refocused on making today's
> powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable,
> transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal.
>
> In parallel, AI developers must work with policymakers to dramatically
> accelerate development of robust AI governance systems. These should
> at a minimum include: new and capable regulatory authorities dedicated
> to AI; oversight and tracking of highly capable AI systems and large
> pools of computational capability; provenance and watermarking systems
> to help distinguish real from synthetic and to track model leaks; a
> robust auditing and certification ecosystem; liability for AI-caused
> harm; robust public funding for technical AI safety research; and
> well-resourced institutions for coping with the dramatic economic and
> political disruptions (especially to democracy) that AI will cause.
>
> Humanity can enjoy a flourishing future with AI. Having succeeded in
> creating powerful AI systems, we can now enjoy an "AI summer" in which
> we reap the rewards, engineer these systems for the clear benefit of
> all, and give society a chance to adapt. Society has hit pause on
> other technologies with potentially catastrophic effects on
> society.^[5] We can do so here. Let's enjoy a long AI summer, not
> rush unprepared into a fall.
>
>
>
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March 29, 2023
Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Primi firmatari: Yoshua Bengio, Stuart Russell, Elon Musk, Steve Wozniak.
jc*
Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter**
*
/We call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the
training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4.
/
https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
//
AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks
to society and humanity, as shown by extensive research^[1] and
acknowledged by top AI labs.^[2] As stated in the widely-endorsed
Asilomar AI Principles
<https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/ai-principles/>, /Advanced AI
could represent a profound change in the history of life on Earth, and
should be planned for and managed with commensurate care and resources/.
Unfortunately, this level of planning and management is not happening,
even though recent months have seen AI labs locked in an out-of-control
race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one
– not even their creators – can understand, predict, or reliably control.
Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general
tasks,^[3] and we must ask ourselves: /Should/ we let machines flood our
information channels with propaganda and untruth? /Should/ we automate
away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? /Should/ we develop
nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and
replace us? /Should/ we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such
decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders. *Powerful AI
systems should be developed only once we are confident that their
effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable.* This
confidence must be well justified and increase with the magnitude of a
system's potential effects. OpenAI's recent statement regarding
artificial general intelligence
<https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond>, states that /"At
some point, it may be important to get independent review before
starting to train future systems, and for the most advanced efforts to
agree to limit the rate of growth of compute used for creating new
models."/ We agree. That point is now.
Therefore, *we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6
months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4*. This pause
should be public and verifiable, and include all key actors. If such a
pause cannot be enacted quickly, governments should step in and
institute a moratorium.
AI labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly develop
and implement a set of shared safety protocols for advanced AI design
and development that are rigorously audited and overseen by independent
outside experts. These protocols should ensure that systems adhering to
them are safe beyond a reasonable doubt.^[4] This does /not/ mean a
pause on AI development in general, merely a stepping back from the
dangerous race to ever-larger unpredictable black-box models with
emergent capabilities.
AI research and development should be refocused on making today's
powerful, state-of-the-art systems more accurate, safe, interpretable,
transparent, robust, aligned, trustworthy, and loyal.
In parallel, AI developers must work with policymakers to dramatically
accelerate development of robust AI governance systems. These should at
a minimum include: new and capable regulatory authorities dedicated to
AI; oversight and tracking of highly capable AI systems and large pools
of computational capability; provenance and watermarking systems to help
distinguish real from synthetic and to track model leaks; a robust
auditing and certification ecosystem; liability for AI-caused harm;
robust public funding for technical AI safety research; and
well-resourced institutions for coping with the dramatic economic and
political disruptions (especially to democracy) that AI will cause.
Humanity can enjoy a flourishing future with AI. Having succeeded in
creating powerful AI systems, we can now enjoy an "AI summer" in which
we reap the rewards, engineer these systems for the clear benefit of
all, and give society a chance to adapt. Society has hit pause on other
technologies with potentially catastrophic effects on society.^[5] We
can do so here. Let's enjoy a long AI summer, not rush unprepared into a
fall.
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] ChatGPT e la stanza cinese
by Daniela Tafani
Buongiorno.
Il 28/03/2023 17:07, 380° ha scritto:
qualcuno sostiene che ChatGPT è intelligenza artificiale generale (akaforte)? :-)
Per semplificarci il compito di rispondere, hanno firmato tutti insieme una lettera aperta
<https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/>
sottoscrivendo la tesi che
"Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks"
e indicando, quale fonte di rischio, i "powerful AI systems", anziché le compagnie che li producono.
Smonta l'AI hype, passo per passo, Emily Bender:
<https://nitter.snopyta.org/emilymbender/status/1640920936600997889>
Un saluto,
Daniela
March 29, 2023
Nuova proposta di legge nel Congresso USA
by J.C. DE MARTIN
Credo che valga la pena leggere questa proposta di legge per capire in
che direzione sta andando (o quantomeno rischia di andare) quella parte
del mondo, noi inclusi, che ama considerarsi libera per quanto riguarda
il digitale.
jc
118TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION
S. 686
To authorize the Secretary of Commerce to review and prohibit certain
trans- actions between persons in the United States and foreign
adversaries, and for other purposes.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
MARCH 7, 2023
Mr. WARNER (for himself, Mr. THUNE, Ms. BALDWIN, Mrs. FISCHER, Mr.
MANCHIN, Mr. MORAN, Mr. BENNET, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Ms.
COLLINS, Mr. HEINRICH, Mr. ROMNEY, and Mrs. CAPITO) intro- duced the
following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Com- mittee on
Commerce, Science, and Transportation
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Restricting the Emergence of Security
Threats that Risk Information and Communications Technology Act’’ or the
‘‘RESTRICT Act’’.
Vedere: https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/s686/BILLS-118s686is.pdf
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] Criti-hype di Harari
by alvise
Buongiorno,
il contributo sostanzioso di Maria Chiara / Weizenbaum mi permette di
commentare, senza dilungarmi, quanto diceva Beppe e, così, anche
rispondere, almeno in parte, a Damiano.
Beppe, riprendendo Harari, scriveva
Il giorno lun 27 mar 2023 alle ore 10:48 Giuseppe Attardi <
attardi(a)di.unipi.it> ha scritto:
>
> "the new A.I. capacities will again be used to gain profit and power, even
> if it inadvertently destroys the foundations of our society.”
>
> Corretto, ma quali siano le situazioni in cui verranno impiegati dipenderà
> dai fini di coloro che le usano, che NON sono l'AI stessa, ma sono
> banalissime aziende tecnologiche votate al profitto, guidate da banalissime
> persone umane.
> Il problem siamo NOI umani e non la tecnologia.
>
>
> Queste due righe di Beppe mettono in atto tre mosse - riduzione,
astrazione, generalizzazione - a mio parere esiziali per un confronto
produttivo sui temi discussi in questa lista.
Cioè: Beppe inizialmente dice che il problema non è l'AI, ma "banalissime
aziende tecnologiche votate al profitto, guidate da banalissime persone
umane", individuando degli attori complessi come può essere una
organizzazione come una azienda dove si intersecano vari tipi di esseri,
tra cui anche oggetti tecnici e corpi umani equipaggiati con altri oggetti
tecnici e manager che sono altrettanto attori complessi costituiti da
documenti, assistenti di vario genere, oggetti tecnici, ecc. E fin qui
tutto bene.
Poi però arrivano le tre mosse di cui dicevo e riduce la complessità
accennata in precedenza a due entità astratte e generali: "NOI umani" e "la
tecnologia".
Allora, per rispondere a Damiano, un passettino avanti lo si può fare se la
si smette di pensare in termini di queste categorie astratte, riduttive e
generalizzanti. L'invito è dunque a pensare che siamo sempre, e lo siamo
sempre stati, esseri umani equipaggiati da vari tipi di "tecnologie".
Dunque la questione non è "esseri umani e tecnologia" o "esseri umani vs
tecnologia" o altre declinazioni possibili dell'accoppiata, ma capire come
un dato aggregato eterogeneo (*assemblage*, *agencement *nella letteratura
delle scienze sociali oggigiorno) o vari aggregati eterogenei vengono
riarticolati e ricombinati, ridistribuendone le competenze (o possibilità
di azione), dall'entrata in gioco di un diverso e nuovo aggregato
eterogeneo, e quanto i precedenti aggregati eterogenei perdurino nonostante
l'arrivo di nuovi aggregati eterogenei - che mi sembra sia quanto più
chiaramente diceva Weizenbaum / Maria Chiara riguardo la questione delle
competenze o possibilità d'azione
Faccio presente che non si può avere idea di cosa sia un profitto senza la
"partita doppia", che è a suo modo una "tecnologia"
ciao
alvise
March 29, 2023
Re: [nexa] Criti-hype di Harari
by Maria Chiara Pievatolo
On 27/03/23 10:48, Giuseppe Attardi wrote:
> "the new A.I. capacities will again be used to gain profit and power,
> even if it inadvertently destroys the foundations of our society.”
>
> Corretto, ma quali siano le situazioni in cui verranno impiegati
> dipenderà dai fini di coloro che le usano, che NON sono l'AI stessa, ma
> sono banalissime aziende tecnologiche votate al profitto, guidate da
> banalissime persone umane.
> Il problem siamo NOI umani e non la tecnologia.
>
> La tecnologia viene antropizzata, affidandole capacità di volere ("AI is
> seizing the master key”), penoso per un filosofo fare questo tipo di
> confusione:
>
> “[AI] can now hack and manipulate the operating system of civilization. ."
>
Credo che Harari, disciplinarmente, si presenti come storico e non come
studioso di filosofia, per quel che conta.
Sul rapporto fra le tecnologia e gli esseri umani forse vale però ancora
la pena citare qualcuno che conosceva ciò di cui parlava, Joseph
Weizenbaum, che in "Computer Power and Human Reason", ch. I pp. 37-38
(1976) scriveva:
"Similarly, a highway permits people to travel between the geographical
centers it connects, but, because of the side effects that it and other
factors synergistically engender, it imprisons poor people in inner
cities as effectively as if the cities were walled in. The
mass-communication media are sometimes said to have reduced the earth to
a global village and to have enabled national and even global town
meetings. But, in contrast to the traditional New England town
meeting which was—and remains so in my home town—an exercise in
participatory politics, the mass media permit essentially no talking
back. Like highways and automobiles, ***they enable the society to
articulate entirely new forms of social action, but at the same time
they irreversibly disable formerly available modes of social behavior***."
Come le autostrade i computer, proseguiva Weizenbaum, fanno qualcosa di
simile. Introducono nuove possibilità, e allo stesso tempo ne escludono
altre:
"a computing system that permits the asking of only certain kinds of
questions, that accepts only certain kinds of "data," and that cannot
even in principle be understood by those who rely on it, such a
computing system has effectively closed many doors that were open before
it was installed."
Questo, naturalmente, non implica che la tecnologia prenda decisioni e
le si possa imputare una responsabilità morale. Implica, però, che
esseri finiti che fanno scelte tecnologiche o subiscono quelle altrui,
in un mondo finito, producono ambienti che incorporano in sé delle
decisioni e delle linee di condotta, creando e distruggendo possibilità
d'azione. Idealmente, il problema siamo noi umani e le nostre scelte.
Pragmaticamente, però, in quanto le scelte passate determinano strutture
e infrastrutture, per chi viene dopo il problema è anche la tecnologia
"vigente" con cui si trova ad avere a che fare: una tecnologia che
incorpora una sua politica, talvolta perfino contro la volontà
consapevole di chi l'ha progettata e messa in atto - come ebbe a
rendersi conto lo stesso Weizenbaum con la sua ELIZA.
Stando così le cose, forse non è ozioso chiedersi:
- quali possibilità d'azione offrono in più i SALAMI?
- a chi lo offrono?
- quali possibilità invece precludono?
- a chi le precludono?
- chi e perché è interessato a usarle e a farle usare?
- le conseguenze che la loro adozione produce sono (facilmente)
reversibili o no?
...e così via. Daniela Tafani ha tenuto, su questo tema, un seminario
per "Etica digitale" del quale non so se sia già accessibile la
registrazione, in cui ha preso le mosse da un articolo solo di poco
posteriore al libro di Weizenbaum:
https://cedi.umd.edu/inst-466-do-artifacts-have-politics/
che discute una serie di esempi di tecnologie con politiche incorporate.
Alcuni sono ovvi - quali la bomba atomica -, altri meno.
Buona lettura,
MCP
March 28, 2023