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Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by Michele Orrù

La dama di corte ha negato la smentita del vicepresidente [image: Screenshot 2025-01-23 at 12.48.11.png] On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 9:54 AM Claudio Agosti < claudio.agosti(a)hermescenter.org> wrote: > il vice presidente ha smentito, ma forse è gelosia. seguitemi su *novella2077 > - gossip cyberpunk * > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2025, 09:06 Guido Vetere, <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. >> >> >>

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by alessandro marzocchi

In concreto, cosa suggerisci? Cordialmente, Duccio Il giorno gio 23 gen 2025 alle ore 11:44 Marco A. Calamari < marcoc_maillist(a)marcoc.it> ha scritto: > On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote: > > Concordo: *c**i vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da > politiche einvestimenti.* > > > Buongiorno a tutti. > > > E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile. > > Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando > di prevederlo per limitare i danni. > > Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza.... > > JM2C. Marco > > > Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) > PS > c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di > estrema destra Anders Vistisen[2] > [1] > https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeput… > [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 > From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and > slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post > > C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. > Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter > grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). > Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica > che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. > L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche > l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. > Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. > Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. > Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e > investimenti. > > Buona giornata, > G. > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa > <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at > the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong > supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden > administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and > oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by > changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms > that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build > bioweapons. > > > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It > seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very > strongly.” > > > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison > and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture > that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to > build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and > electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and > running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center > construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States > as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent > billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say > many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep > advancing. > > > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman > said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without > you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank > decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election > victory. > > > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, > according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition > of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition > to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor > in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and > semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI > said in an announcement. > > > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had > been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI > infrastructure a year ago. > > > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who > contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe > Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was > necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the > technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being > able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, > Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that > would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to > develop military technology. > > > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging > policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final > days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the > development of AI data center projects on federal land. > > > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me > like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened > up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and > Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders > rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s > artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s > global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post > on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to > ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its > economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that > AI is safe to use. > > > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is > self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” > Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a > liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden > administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public > unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take > up the benefits it might bring.” > > > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of > California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in > combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set > and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower > business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going > to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of > regard to safety,” she said. > > > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer > chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center > construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. > will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that > had been slated to be closed to be kept online. > > > > -- > > Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist(a)marcoc.it> >

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by Marco A. Calamari

On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote: > Concordo: ci vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche > einvestimenti. Buongiorno a tutti. E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile. Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando di prevederlo per limitare i danni. Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza.... JM2C. Marco > Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) > > PS > c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema > destra Anders Vistisen[2] > [1] > https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeput… > [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 > > From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and > > slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post > > > > C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. > > Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter > > grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). > > Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica > > che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. > > L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche > > l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. > > Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. > > Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. > > Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e > > investimenti. > > > > Buona giornata, > > G. > > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa > > <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > > > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the > > White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter > > of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden > > administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and > > oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by > > changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms > > that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build > > bioweapons. > > > > > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It > > seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very > > strongly.” > > > > > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison > > and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture > > that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to > > build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > > > > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and > > electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running > > AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is > > straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies > > including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars > > on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the > > facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing. > > > > > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said > > at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, > > Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to > > move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory. > > > > > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, > > according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition > > of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to > > the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in > > OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor > > manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an > > announcement. > > > > > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > > > > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had > > been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI > > infrastructure a year ago. > > > > > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who > > contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe > > Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > > > > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was > > necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the > > technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being > > able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, > > Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that > > would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to > > develop military technology. > > > > > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy > > is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of > > his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of > > AI data center projects on federal land. > > > > > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me > > like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened > > up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > > > > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and > > Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling > > back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial > > intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global > > leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. > > Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > > > > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward > > off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic > > development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe > > to use. > > > > > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self- > > defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” > > Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a > > liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden > > administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public > > unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up > > the benefits it might bring.” > > > > > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of > > California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in > > combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set > > and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower > > business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going > > to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of > > regard to safety,” she said. > > > > > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer > > chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center > > construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. > > will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that > > had been slated to be closed to be kept online. > > -- Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist(a)marcoc.it>

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by alessandro marzocchi

Concordo: *c**i vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.* Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen [2] [1] https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeput… [2] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 > From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and > slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post > > C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. > Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter > grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). > Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica > che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. > L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche > l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. > Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. > Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. > Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e > investimenti. > > Buona giornata, > G. > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa > <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at > the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong > supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden > administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and > oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by > changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms > that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build > bioweapons. > > > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It > seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very > strongly.” > > > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison > and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture > that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to > build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and > electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and > running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center > construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States > as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent > billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say > many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep > advancing. > > > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman > said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without > you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank > decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election > victory. > > > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, > according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition > of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition > to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor > in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and > semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI > said in an announcement. > > > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had > been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI > infrastructure a year ago. > > > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who > contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe > Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was > necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the > technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being > able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, > Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that > would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to > develop military technology. > > > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging > policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final > days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the > development of AI data center projects on federal land. > > > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me > like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened > up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and > Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders > rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s > artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s > global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post > on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to > ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its > economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that > AI is safe to use. > > > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is > self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” > Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a > liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden > administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public > unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take > up the benefits it might bring.” > > > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of > California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in > combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set > and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower > business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going > to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of > regard to safety,” she said. > > > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer > chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center > construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. > will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that > had been slated to be closed to be kept online. > >

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by Alessandro Brolpito

Buongirono, Sul tema, segnalo la puntata di ieri sera di zapping, Radio 1 | Mercoledì 22 gennaio 2025 | Palinsesto | Raiplay Sound <https://www.raiplaysound.it/radio1/palinsesto/giorno/22-01-2025> Thierry Breton(*), ex Commissario della Commissione Europea, considerato il padre del Digital Service Act, spiega quello che potrebbe succedere con la nuova era Trumpiana e le 'nuove' BigTech americane e cosa dovrebbe fare L'Europa, molto interessante. (*) Thierry Breton - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Breton#:~:text=EU%20Commissioner,-In%….> Alessandro On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 at 09:06, Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> wrote: > C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. > > Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter > grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). > Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica > che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. > L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche > l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. > > Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. > Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. > Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e > investimenti. > > Buona giornata, > G. > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa > <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > > > > Scusate... Ecco il seguito. > > > > [...] > > > > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at > the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong > supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden > administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and > oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by > changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms > that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build > bioweapons. > > > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It > seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very > strongly.” > > > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison > and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture > that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to > build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and > electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and > running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center > construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States > as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent > billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say > many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep > advancing. > > > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman > said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without > you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank > decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election > victory. > > > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, > according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition > of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition > to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor > in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and > semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI > said in an announcement. > > > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had > been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI > infrastructure a year ago. > > > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who > contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe > Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was > necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the > technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being > able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, > Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that > would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to > develop military technology. > > > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging > policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final > days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the > development of AI data center projects on federal land. > > > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me > like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened > up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and > Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders > rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s > artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s > global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post > on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to > ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its > economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that > AI is safe to use. > > > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is > self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” > Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a > liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden > administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public > unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take > up the benefits it might bring.” > > > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of > California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in > combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set > and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower > business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going > to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of > regard to safety,” she said. > > > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer > chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center > construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. > will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that > had been slated to be closed to be kept online. > > > > > > > > On 22 January 2025 14:21:37 CET, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa < > nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > >> > >> < > https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/21/stargate-500-billion-t… > > > >> > >> President Donald Trump set about defining his new administration’s > technology policy Tuesday, hosting industry CEOs at the White House to > announce a massive private-sector investment in infrastructure for > artificial intelligence that could reach $500 billion. > >> > >> The announcement came after Trump on his Inauguration Day rescinded a > sweeping 2023 executive order on AI from his predecessor Joe Biden that > introduced regulations on companies developing AI intended to prevent the > technology causing harm. > >> >

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by Claudio Agosti

il vice presidente ha smentito, ma forse è gelosia. seguitemi su *novella2077 - gossip cyberpunk * On Thu, 23 Jan 2025, 09:06 Guido Vetere, <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> wrote: > C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. > > >

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post

by Guido Vetere

C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti. Buona giornata, G. On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > > Scusate... Ecco il seguito. > > [...] > > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons. > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.” > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing. > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory. > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement. > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago. > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology. > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land. > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use. > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.” > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said. > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online. > > > > On 22 January 2025 14:21:37 CET, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: >> >> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/21/stargate-500-billion-t…> >> >> President Donald Trump set about defining his new administration’s technology policy Tuesday, hosting industry CEOs at the White House to announce a massive private-sector investment in infrastructure for artificial intelligence that could reach $500 billion. >> >> The announcement came after Trump on his Inauguration Day rescinded a sweeping 2023 executive order on AI from his predecessor Joe Biden that introduced regulations on companies developing AI intended to prevent the technology causing harm. >>

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] In a mirror (Alfredo Bregni)

by abregni

Diciamo che è TRUMP a essere tecnologicamente e politicamente "non neutrale"... :-)) Il 2025-01-23 07:27 Guido Vetere ha scritto: > La proposizione secondo la quale la tecnologia è alienante sarebbe > una derivata (assai indebita) del noto concetto marxiano e della > 'questione della tecnica' di Heidegger (Ge-stell eccetera) > > Se nessuno la vuole sostenere a posto così. Se la si afferma (anche > negando il contrario), porta a conclusioni assurde. > > As simple as that :-) > > G. > > PS: piuttosto parlamo della via trumpiana all'AI e di come organizzare > la resistenza. Dovremo affidarci ai cinesi o c'è una terza via? > > Il Mer 22 Gen 2025, 13:21 Giacomo Tesio <giacomo(a)tesio.it> ha scritto: > >> Ehm, no Guido, quella non è una dimostrazione per assurdo >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum> >> >> Il 21 Gennaio 2025 11:42:26 UTC, Guido Vetere >> <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> ha scritto: >>>>> Atteso che anche l'aratro è una tecnologia, >>>>> dovremmo tornare a fare i raccoglitori-cacciatori? (a mani >> nude, s'intende, >>>>> che l'arco potrebbe alienarci, e poi ci si fa la guerra..). >>> >>>> esempio da manuale di falsa dicotomia: >>>> <https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsa_dicotomia> >>> >>> lo dico solo a beneficio dell'argomentazione e scusandomi per >>> l'off-topic: quella era una dimostrazione per assurdo (reductio ad >>> absurdum). >> >> Non hai dimostrato che la negazione delle premesse comporta >> conclusioni >> assurde o contraddittorie. >> >> Anzitutto perché nessuno qui considera la tecnologia deleterea di >> per sé: >> l'argomento fantoccio che hai scelto non è opinione sostenuta dai >> tuoi interlocutori. >> >> Poi perché anche se qualcuno avesse dichiarato l'aratro come >> tecnologia >> deleterea, non hai scartato altre tecnologie che ne potrebbero >> svolgere >> la funzione senza produrre i danni rilevati. >> >> Quindi la tua era proprio una falsa dicotomia. >> >> Ma non basta: a riprova del fatto che le fallacie sono come le >> ciliege, questo >> >>> Un classico esempio di falsa dicotomia è: 'la [questa] tecnologia >> è >>> inerentemente buona o inerentemente cattiva' che è appunto quella >>> contro la quale obiettò Kranzberg. >> >> è un ulteriore strawman fuori tema: "buona" e "cattiva" sono >> valutazioni >> etiche. >> >> Noi stiamo parlando di tecnologia inerentemente politiche. >> >> Credo tu possa cogliere la differenza. >> >> A presto! >> >> Giacomo

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] In a mirror (Alfredo Bregni)

by Guido Vetere

La proposizione secondo la quale la tecnologia è alienante sarebbe una derivata (assai indebita) del noto concetto marxiano e della 'questione della tecnica' di Heidegger (Ge-stell eccetera) Se nessuno la vuole sostenere a posto così. Se la si afferma (anche negando il contrario), porta a conclusioni assurde. As simple as that :-) G. PS: piuttosto parlamo della via trumpiana all'AI e di come organizzare la resistenza. Dovremo affidarci ai cinesi o c'è una terza via? Il Mer 22 Gen 2025, 13:21 Giacomo Tesio <giacomo(a)tesio.it> ha scritto: > Ehm, no Guido, quella non è una dimostrazione per assurdo > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum> > > Il 21 Gennaio 2025 11:42:26 UTC, Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > >> Atteso che anche l'aratro è una tecnologia, > > >> dovremmo tornare a fare i raccoglitori-cacciatori? (a mani nude, > s'intende, > > >> che l'arco potrebbe alienarci, e poi ci si fa la guerra..). > > > > > esempio da manuale di falsa dicotomia: > > > <https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsa_dicotomia> > > > > lo dico solo a beneficio dell'argomentazione e scusandomi per > > l'off-topic: quella era una dimostrazione per assurdo (reductio ad > > absurdum). > > Non hai dimostrato che la negazione delle premesse comporta conclusioni > assurde o contraddittorie. > > Anzitutto perché nessuno qui considera la tecnologia deleterea di per sé: > l'argomento fantoccio che hai scelto non è opinione sostenuta dai tuoi > interlocutori. > > Poi perché anche se qualcuno avesse dichiarato l'aratro come tecnologia > deleterea, non hai scartato altre tecnologie che ne potrebbero svolgere > la funzione senza produrre i danni rilevati. > > Quindi la tua era proprio una falsa dicotomia. > > Ma non basta: a riprova del fatto che le fallacie sono come le ciliege, > questo > > > Un classico esempio di falsa dicotomia è: 'la [questa] tecnologia è > > inerentemente buona o inerentemente cattiva' che è appunto quella > > contro la quale obiettò Kranzberg. > > è un ulteriore strawman fuori tema: "buona" e "cattiva" sono valutazioni > etiche. > > Noi stiamo parlando di tecnologia inerentemente politiche. > > > Credo tu possa cogliere la differenza. > > > A presto! > > > Giacomo >

Jan. 23, 2025

Re: [nexa] In a mirror (Alfredo Bregni)

by abregni

Ciao, Giacomo. >> Noi stiamo parlando di tecnologiE inerentemente politiche. TU stai parlando di tecnologie inerentemente politiche. IO parlo di "intenzioni" che determinano tutto, fra cui l'applicazione (qualsiasi) delle tecnologie (e talvolta / eventualmente / dipende anche il loro sviluppo, ...ma e sempre così, per ogni cosa, e quindi ha semantica nulla). Ci sono semantiche nulle (= ovvietà; i nonsense sono altra cosa) e semantiche provate. Il resto sono solo opinioni. Fra queste ci sono le logiche errate, ...e le fallacie che si tirano fuori quando si è a secco di argomenti (ovvero si smette di discutere del tema e ci si appropinqua disperatamente agli ad hominem). Sto facendo ...tassonomia. Ognuno capisca quello che vuole. Il 2025-01-22 13:20 Giacomo Tesio ha scritto: > Ehm, no Guido, quella non è una dimostrazione per assurdo > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum> > > Il 21 Gennaio 2025 11:42:26 UTC, Guido Vetere <vetere.guido(a)gmail.com> > ha scritto: >> >> Atteso che anche l'aratro è una tecnologia, >> >> dovremmo tornare a fare i raccoglitori-cacciatori? (a mani nude, s'intende, >> >> che l'arco potrebbe alienarci, e poi ci si fa la guerra..). >> >> > esempio da manuale di falsa dicotomia: >> > <https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsa_dicotomia> >> >> lo dico solo a beneficio dell'argomentazione e scusandomi per >> l'off-topic: quella era una dimostrazione per assurdo (reductio ad >> absurdum). > > Non hai dimostrato che la negazione delle premesse comporta conclusioni > assurde o contraddittorie. > > Anzitutto perché nessuno qui considera la tecnologia deleterea di per > sé: > l'argomento fantoccio che hai scelto non è opinione sostenuta dai tuoi > interlocutori. > > Poi perché anche se qualcuno avesse dichiarato l'aratro come tecnologia > deleterea, non hai scartato altre tecnologie che ne potrebbero svolgere > la funzione senza produrre i danni rilevati. > > Quindi la tua era proprio una falsa dicotomia. > > Ma non basta: a riprova del fatto che le fallacie sono come le ciliege, > questo > >> Un classico esempio di falsa dicotomia è: 'la [questa] tecnologia è >> inerentemente buona o inerentemente cattiva' che è appunto quella >> contro la quale obiettò Kranzberg. > > è un ulteriore strawman fuori tema: "buona" e "cattiva" sono > valutazioni > etiche. > > Noi stiamo parlando di tecnologia inerentemente politiche. > > > Credo tu possa cogliere la differenza. > > > A presto! > > > Giacomo

Jan. 22, 2025