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Re: [nexa] "Il potere del capitalismo digitale" | Recensione di Tiziano Bonini dell'ultimo numero della rivista AUT AUT
by Maria Chiara Pievatolo
On 10/31/25 15:08, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
> ```
> Le nostre ricerche empiriche ne mostrano i limiti pratici. I /gig worker/, i /creator/
> e gli attivisti che abbiamo studiato non sono affatto automi inconsapevoli.
> Al contrario, sviluppano una "consapevolezza algoritmica" attraverso un processo
> collettivo di /reverse engineering/, discussioni in chat private e
> la formulazione di "teorie popolari" sul funzionamento degli algoritmi.
> ```
>
> Se questi sono i limiti dell'efficacia di Google & friends quali sono i limiti
> dell'efficacia di questi approcci alla resistenza (pur nobili nell'intenzione)?
Il nostro sociologo ha documentato un altro esempio del carattere
riflessivo, e non meccanico, dell'azione sociale, ben noto a chi ha a
che fare, per esempio a proposito della valutazione amministrativa della
ricerca, con la legge di Goodhart.
https://www.deep-insight.com/tag/the-great-hanoi-rat-hunt/
Le amministrazioni coloniali della storie qui sopra, credendo che per
liberarsi dai cobra o dai ratti bastasse - meccanicamente - offrire una
ricompensa a chi portasse loro cobra morti o code di topo, non si resero
conto che - riflessivamente - la ricompensa stessa incoraggiava i loro
sudditi ad allevarli, e non a distruggerli.
Questo fallimento, però, non intacca di per sé il potere coloniale. Per
cacciare gli inglesi dall'India e i francesi dal Vietnam non bastarono i
cobra e i ratti: ci vollero Ghandi e Ho Chi Minh - che sfidarono la
legittimità del colonialismo invece di prestargli ubbidienza, ancorché
in modo riflessivo.
A presto,
MCP
Oct. 31, 2025
Re: [nexa] "Il potere del capitalismo digitale" | Recensione di Tiziano Bonini dell'ultimo numero della rivista AUT AUT
by Marco A. Calamari
Salve a tutti.
ùOn ven, 2025-10-31 at 15:08 +0100, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
> Salve Valeria, grazie della segnalazione.
>
> Prospettiva interessante e pure auspicabile quella di Bonini, che
> però appare un po'
> ingenua quando, alla ricerca disperata di focolai di resistenza si
> focalizza su casi
> specifici di lavoratori sfruttati e ignora invece le centinaia di
> miliardi che il
> controllo individuale su larga scala permette di fatturare a società
> come Google
> o Facebook.
>
...
> ¹ ad eccezione di pochi ingegneri informatici, che in quanto
> "tecnici"
> non vengono presi sul serio o vengono qualificati come paranoici,
> e pochissimi
> altri, non conosco persone pienamente e costantemente consapevoli
> della enorme quantità di dati personali diffusi dagli strumenti
> che utilizzano.
> Se lo fossero, e comprendessero come quei dati vengono usati per
> ridurle
> a marionette eternamente insoddisfatte, smetterebbero di usarli.
Concordo, grazie.
Oct. 31, 2025
"Il potere del capitalismo digitale" | Recensione di Tiziano Bonini dell'ultimo numero della rivista AUT AUT
by Giacomo Tesio
Salve Valeria, grazie della segnalazione.
Prospettiva interessante e pure auspicabile quella di Bonini, che però appare un po'
ingenua quando, alla ricerca disperata di focolai di resistenza si focalizza su casi
specifici di lavoratori sfruttati e ignora invece le centinaia di miliardi che il
controllo individuale su larga scala permette di fatturare a società come Google
o Facebook.
```
Al potere di manipolazione delle menti individuali (molto dubbio ed empiricamente
difficile da provare), preferisco l’indagine del potere economico e politico che
queste aziende esercitano.
```
Mi sorprende sempre osservare come sempre più intellettuali siano vaganente¹ consapevoli
della sorveglianza capillare subita da miliardi di persone e siano
contemporaneamente consapevoli dei fatturati esorbitanti delle aziende che
attuano tale sorveglianza, ma non riescano ad immaginare come tali aziende
realizzino tali fatturati.
È ovvio che queste società utilizzano i dati raccolti per influenzare i comportamenti
(commerciali o meno) di miliardi di persone.
Questa influenza è statisticamente efficace.
Che poi sia un controllo "mentale" o meno dipende dalla definizione di "mente".
Di certo queste persone si comportano come richiesto un numero sufficiente di
volte da garantire il potere economico e politico delle società di cui parliamo.
Il problema fondamentale che impedisce di riconoscere quei fatturati stratosferici
come evidenza incontrovertibile dell'efficacia della manipolazione
statistica di cui parliamo è di natura psicologica. Forse persino psicopatologica.
Per l'intellettuale che si porta in giro un cellulare Android, ha una casella GMail,
naviga abitualmente il web con Google Chrome e chatta com gli amici su WhatsApp
riconoscere l'efficacia della manipolazione operata da Google o Facebook come
il legame fra i dati raccolti e i loro fatturati miliardari significa
comprendere di essere ed essere stato per anni un burattino, un "utile idiota"
fra miliardi di altri.
E questo per un intellettuale credo sia particolarmente difficile da accettare
perché in diretto contrasto con la propria identità, con la propria immagine di sé.
Così ci si sforza di "occuparsi di problemi più rilevanti, come il “Potere” che
queste aziende detengono" rifiutando al contempo di comprendere la natura,
i meccanismi di funzionamento di quel potere.
E restandone, di conseguenza, vittime.
Infatti Bonini parlando dell'alienazione cibernetica operata da queste aziende
(ovvero la riduzione della autonomia cognitiva e comportamentale che operano
attraverso i dati raccolti e gli stimoli personslizzati)
```
Le nostre ricerche empiriche ne mostrano i limiti pratici. I /gig worker/, i /creator/
e gli attivisti che abbiamo studiato non sono affatto automi inconsapevoli.
Al contrario, sviluppano una "consapevolezza algoritmica" attraverso un processo
collettivo di /reverse engineering/, discussioni in chat private e
la formulazione di "teorie popolari" sul funzionamento degli algoritmi.
```
Se questi sono i limiti dell'efficacia di Google & friends quali sono i limiti
dell'efficacia di questi approcci alla resistenza (pur nobili nell'intenzione)?
Bonini dice che il controllo statistico di miliardi di persone non è efficace
quanto le BigTech vorrebbero, ma la "agentività algoritmica tattica" è
efficace quanto i suoi attuatori vorrebbero?
Il problema è che contrariamente a Google, Bonini è rinchiuso in un quadro
concettuale novecentesco.
A Google & friends non interessa il controllo assoluto di ciascun individuo, ma un
controllo continuo e probabilistico sul suo comportamento.
Controllo che diventa statisticamente rilevante ed osservabile quando
spostiamo il focus dall'individuo e osserviamo la società in cui vive.
Ma quel potere politico ed economico non è che la forma aggregata del potere
esercitato su ciascuno dei suoi utenti.
Potere che deve rimanere inconcepibile ed inaccettabile per le sue vittime.
Concordo tuttavia con le conclusioni di Bonini
```
Tuttavia, dovremmo completare questa analisi senza fermarci alla denuncia del dominio
di questa forma di potere. Come sosteneva Foucault, “dove c'è potere c'è resistenza".
Le pratiche di resistenza algoritmica quotidiana, per quanto fragili e
temporanee, non sono fenomeni episodici, ma atti ordinari che costituiscono
il tessuto stesso della vita nella società delle piattaforme. Esse rappresentano
un intoppo, o glitch, nel sistema, la prova che l'automazione del soggetto non è
ancora riuscita e che la lotta è ancora in corso.
Un dialogo tra la critica teorica di /Aut Aut/ e l'analisi empirica delle pratiche di
resistenza è non solo utile, ma necessario.
Permette di evitare tanto un pessimismo paralizzante quanto un'ingenua
celebrazione dell'agency. Ci ricorda che, per quanto il potere delle piattaforme
sia immenso, la storia non è ancora scritta: il suo esito "non è dato, ma agito".
```
E tuttavia, l'efficacia delle pratiche di resistenza menzionate da Bonini è
tarpata dall'ignoranza cibernetica di chi prova a resistere.
L'idea di resistere usando GMail, WhatsApp o portandosi dietro un cellulare Android
o Apple, è una pia illusione autoconsolatoria.
È necessario anzitutto accettare di doverne fare a meno e poi... evitarli come la peste.
Ma per farlo bisogna studiare informatica, cibernetica e storia.
Perché la conoscenza è potere solo dove l'ignoranza è diffusa.
Giacomo
¹ ad eccezione di pochi ingegneri informatici, che in quanto "tecnici"
non vengono presi sul serio o vengono qualificati come paranoici, e pochissimi
altri, non conosco persone pienamente e costantemente consapevoli
della enorme quantità di dati personali diffusi dagli strumenti che utilizzano.
Se lo fossero, e comprendessero come quei dati vengono usati per ridurle
a marionette eternamente insoddisfatte, smetterebbero di usarli.
Oct. 31, 2025
"Il potere del capitalismo digitale" | Recensione di Tiziano Bonini dell'ultimo numero della rivista AUT AUT
by Nexa - Media
Gentilissime, gentilissimi,
Vi segnaliamo con piacere la pubblicazione di una recensione di Tiziano Bonini dal titolo “Il potere del capitalismo digitale” (Doppiozero), relativa all’ultimo numero della rivista filosofica AUT AUT, “Digito ergo sum. Indagini sul capitalismo digitale”.
La rivista contiene, tra gli altri, un contributo del Co-Direttore del Centro Nexa Juan Carlos De Martin, intitolato “Sulla computerizzazione del mondo”.
Di seguito un estratto della recensione di Tiziano Bonini:
“La lettura di questo numero non solleva solo questioni relative a quanto sia ormai saturo e condiviso il campo della critica al capitalismo digitale e a quanto ancora i diversi ‘critici' siano divisi tra loro – una questione forse noiosa che riguarda solo gli studiosi – ma solleva anche un’altra importante questione: una critica completa del capitalismo digitale può fermarsi alla diagnosi molecolare del potere da esso esercitato?”
La recensione completa è disponibile al link: https://www.doppiozero.com/il-potere-del-capitalismo-digitale
Vi ringraziamo per l’attenzione,
Un saluto cordiale,
--
Valeria Bergantino
Communication Manager
Nexa Center for Internet & Society
Politecnico di Torino – DAUIN
Via Pier Carlo Boggio, 65/a – 10138 Torino
web: https://nexa.polito.it
mail: valeria.bergantino(a)polito.it<mailto:valeria.bergantino@polito.it>
tel: 3473443585
Oct. 31, 2025
Re: [nexa] L'abuso di posizione dominante tramite spam policy
by B. J.
Oltre all'analisi fatta da Damiano, in questo caso specifico il problema è anche il sistema di mailinglist, che inevitabilmente manipola sia gli header che il contenuto della mail.
Questo causa alcuni problemi che possono determinare che una mail sia marcata come sospetta:
1) DKIM failure: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM
2) DMARC failure (anche il mio SimpleLogin me lo segnala..): https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…
3) La firma PGP viene invalidata, questo l'esito del primo messaggio di Andrea:
La ML usa Mailman 2.1.29. Bisognerebbe verificare se passando alla versione 3 si possono attivare delle opzioni per mitigare questi effetti: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…
Inoltre, passando alla 3, le password degli utenti verrebbero finalmente protette lato server (i.e. hashing).
Cordialmente,
BJ
Diventiamo ciò che contempliamo. Noi modelliamo i nostri strumenti, e in seguito sono i nostri strumenti a modellare noi. (Marshall McLuhan)
Un Internet libero, diverso e rispettoso della privacy è lo strumento fondamentale per tutte le sfide che ci attendono.
Inviato con l'email di [Proton Mail](https://pr.tn/ref/2P5MPTKZY2G0).
---------------------------------------------------------------
We become what we behold. We shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us. (Marshall McLuhan)
A free, diverse, and privacy-respecting Internet is the fundamental tool for all the challenges that await us.
Sent with the email of [Proton Mail](https://pr.tn/ref/2P5MPTKZY2G0).
On 29/10/25 18:22, Damiano Verzulli wrote:
> This email failed anti-phishing checks when it was received by SimpleLogin, be careful with its content. More info on [anti-phishing measure](https://simplelogin.io/docs/getting-started/anti-phishing/)
>
> Il 29/10/25 5:05 PM, Andrea Rossi via nexa ha scritto:
>
>> [...]
>> per rimarcare come le regole antispam - lungi dall'essere efficaci nel blocco dei messaggi indesiderati - si manifestino sempre più spesso come strumenti di discriminazione verso mailserver indipendenti.
>>
>> Non a caso il messaggio inoltrato proviene da un account sul dominio outlook.it, confermando - ancorché in modo annedottico - il ruolo di gatekeeper che Microsoft arbitrariamente si è arrogato.
>
> Sottoscrivo, aggiungendo che il problema sollevato da Andrea ha diverse sfaccettature, tutte gravi.
>
> In estrema sintesi:
>
> - quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di mailbox (sembrerebbero 1.8 miliardi quelle di Google [1]; 500 milioni quelle di Microsoft [2]), cosa è SPAM e cosa NON lo è? Lo spam è quello che decidi tu, oppure quello che decidono gli altri?
>
> - quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di mailbox, che succede se decidi che, ad esempio, un messaggio proveniente da un provider che non ti piace... va automaticamente in SPAM?
>
> - quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di mailbox, che succede se ti autocostruisci una "lista di cattivoni", che NON diffondi all'esterno, e sulla base della quale decidi che un certo dominio di posta (ad esempio "@ateneo.it") è "cattivo", e quindi mandi tutta la sua posta in SPAM, per tutti i "tuoi" destinatari?
>
> Non ho gli strumenti per rispondere (in generale).
>
> Posso solo confermare --da tecnico che [con difficolta' sempre in costante aumento] gestisce l'infrastruttura di posta di un Ateneo--, la situazione è molto piu' grave di quanto si percepisca.
>
> Un saluto,
> DV
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook.com
>
> --
> Damiano Verzulli
> e-mail:
> damiano(a)verzulli.it
> ---
> possible?ok:while(!possible){open_mindedness++}
> ---
> "...I realized that free software would not generate the kind of
> income that was needed. Maybe in USA or Europe, you may be able
> to get a well paying job as a free software developer, but not
> here [in Africa]..." -- Guido Sohne - 1973-2008
> http://ole.kenic.or.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2008-April/005989.html
Oct. 30, 2025
Re: [nexa] disiscrizione mailing list
by Cal.
DKIM e DMARC fail, non è sorprendente.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 at 16:46, Luca Lamonaca <LucaLamonaca(a)outlook.it> wrote:
>
> Salve,
>
> vorrei disiscrivermi dalla mailing list,
>
> Vi informo inoltre che quasi tutte le email finiscono nello spam.
>
> grazie
>
> Luca
Oct. 29, 2025
Re: [nexa] L'abuso di posizione dominante tramite spam policy
by Damiano Verzulli
Il 29/10/25 5:05 PM, Andrea Rossi via nexa ha scritto:
> [...]
> per rimarcare come le regole antispam - lungi dall'essere efficaci nel
> blocco dei messaggi indesiderati - si manifestino sempre più spesso
> come strumenti di discriminazione verso mailserver indipendenti.
>
> Non a caso il messaggio inoltrato proviene da un account sul dominio
> outlook.it, confermando - ancorché in modo annedottico - il ruolo di
> gatekeeper che Microsoft arbitrariamente si è arrogato.
Sottoscrivo, aggiungendo che il problema sollevato da Andrea ha diverse
sfaccettature, tutte gravi.
In estrema sintesi:
* quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di
mailbox (sembrerebbero 1.8 miliardi quelle di Google [1]; 500
milioni quelle di Microsoft [2]), cosa è SPAM e cosa NON lo è? Lo
spam è quello che decidi tu, oppure quello che decidono gli altri?
* quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di
mailbox, che succede se decidi che, ad esempio, un messaggio
proveniente da un provider che non ti piace... va automaticamente in
SPAM?
* quando tu, soggetto privato, gestisci centinaia di milioni di
mailbox, che succede se ti autocostruisci una "lista di cattivoni",
che NON diffondi all'esterno, e sulla base della quale decidi che un
certo dominio di posta (ad esempio "@ateneo.it") è "cattivo", e
quindi mandi tutta la sua posta in SPAM, per tutti i "tuoi" destinatari?
Non ho gli strumenti per rispondere (in generale).
Posso solo confermare --da tecnico che [con difficolta' sempre in
costante aumento] gestisce l'infrastruttura di posta di un Ateneo--, la
situazione è molto piu' grave di quanto si percepisca.
Un saluto,
DV
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook.com
--
Damiano Verzulli
e-mail:damiano@verzulli.it
---
possible?ok:while(!possible){open_mindedness++}
---
"...I realized that free software would not generate the kind of
income that was needed. Maybe in USA or Europe, you may be able
to get a well paying job as a free software developer, but not
here [in Africa]..." -- Guido Sohne - 1973-2008
http://ole.kenic.or.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2008-April/005989.html
Oct. 29, 2025
L'abuso di posizione dominante tramite spam policy
by Andrea Rossi
Buonasera,
traggo spunto dal seguente messaggio:
--8<----------------------------inizio---------------------->8---
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [nexa] disiscrizione mailing list
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 15:46:07 +0000
From: ...(a)outlook.it
To: nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it
[...]
Vi informo inoltre che quasi tutte le email finiscono nello spam.
--8<-----------------------------fine----------------------->8---
per rimarcare come le regole antispam - lungi dall'essere efficaci nel
blocco dei messaggi indesiderati - si manifestino sempre più spesso come
strumenti di discriminazione verso mailserver indipendenti.
Non a caso il messaggio inoltrato proviene da un account sul dominio
outlook.it, confermando - ancorché in modo annedottico - il ruolo di
gatekeeper che Microsoft arbitrariamente si è arrogato.
È evidente l'inadeguatezza degli strumenti giuridici disponibili, come
le autorità a garanzia di mercato e concorrenza.
Cordiali saluti,
Andrea Rossi
--
Andrea Rossi
M +39 348 7063 124
OpenPGP key: FCE2EDE78BD9B2CB
Oct. 29, 2025
disiscrizione mailing list
by Luca Lamonaca
Salve,
vorrei disiscrivermi dalla mailing list,
Vi informo inoltre che quasi tutte le email finiscono nello spam.
grazie
Luca
Oct. 29, 2025
Inside the Trump family’s global crypto cash machine
by Alberto Cammozzo
Inside the Trump family’s global crypto cash machine
<https://www.reuters.com/investigations/inside-trump-familys-global-crypto-c…>
DUBAI - Eric Trump was in Dubai on family business. Meeting with a
Chinese businessman and his associates on the sidelines of a
cryptocurrency conference in May this year, the son of U.S. President
Donald J. Trump ran through his usual talking points about the
inefficiency of traditional banks and his own famous father’s run-ins
with financiers.
Then came the pitch. Buy at least $20 million of “governance tokens” in
the Trump family’s crypto business, World Liberty Financial, and become
part of a venture that Eric Trump predicted would soon embody the future
of finance in America, according to a person familiar with the meeting.
To some in that small gathering, the technology Eric Trump’s team
described for World Liberty seemed “rudimentary,” the person said. At
the time, World Liberty was a fledgling business. It hadn’t yet created
the cryptocurrency-based finance platform it promised after its
September 2024 launch. It still hasn’t.
Even so, the pitch apparently worked. On June 26, an obscure entity
called Aqua1 Foundation, which said it was based in the United Arab
Emirates, announced it was buying $100 million of cryptocurrency tokens
from World Liberty. It was the single largest known purchase of the
so-called WLFI tokens at the time.
The Chinese businessman who met with Eric Trump in Dubai was Guren
“Bobby” Zhou, who has executive roles in multiple businesses and who is
under investigation in Britain for money laundering, according to that
nation’s National Crime Agency and a document filed in an immigration
case at London's Royal Courts of Justice.
Zhou did not respond directly to requests for comment for this article.
In a statement emailed to Reuters, an entity calling itself Aqua Labs
Investment LLC said Zhou was its co-founder and described itself as an
Abu Dhabi entity of Aqua1 Foundation. The statement said Aqua1
Foundation’s investment in World Liberty tokens “was a commercial
decision consistent with its focus on advancing regulated, scalable
digital-asset ecosystems.” Zhou’s relationship to Aqua1 Foundation has
not been previously reported.
Aqua1 Foundation did not respond to requests for comment. Nor did Eric
Trump.
The Dubai meeting, reported here for the first time, was just one stop
on a globetrotting investment roadshow the two elder sons of President
Trump – Eric and Donald Trump Jr. – embarked on around the time of their
father’s election to a second term. In Europe, the Middle East and Asia,
they have been promoting World Liberty and other ventures that funnel
investors’ cash to Trump family businesses, known collectively as the
Trump Organization.
The Trump brothers’ efforts have been a whopping success. In the first
half of this year, the Trump Organization’s income soared 17-fold to
$864 million from $51 million a year earlier, according to Reuters
calculations based on the president’s official disclosures, property
records, financial records released in court cases, crypto trade
information and other sources. Of the first-half total, $802 million –
more than 90% – came from Trump crypto ventures, including sales of
World Liberty tokens.
That $864 million payday represents actual income – cash flowing, free
and clear, into Trump family coffers. Reuters’ calculations were
reviewed by half a dozen crypto and real estate experts and a certified
accountant who has studied the U.S. Internal Revenue Service’s approach
to crypto.
The Trumps' first-half crypto income dwarfed what the family earned from
its traditional businesses – $33 million from the president’s golf clubs
and resorts and $23 million for licensing his name to overseas real
estate developers, according to the Reuters estimates. More than half
the Trumps’ income – $463 million – came from sales of World Liberty
tokens alone, including up to $75 million from Aqua1’s token purchase.
On its website, World Liberty says a Trump Organization entity receives
75% of the revenue from the token sales through its association with
World Liberty.
The family also made $336 million from sales of a Trump meme coin,
$TRUMP, Reuters calculated, using assumptions vetted by five analysts.
Due to a lack of transparency in the Trump meme coin business, estimates
of income from the coins carry a higher degree of uncertainty than those
for WLFI token sales.
The Trumps are minting a trove of hard cash from digital assets backed,
so far, by little more than the Trump name. World Liberty tokens, like
most crypto products, are registered on digital ledgers called
blockchains. But WLFI tokens offer holders little beyond a limited say
in the business’s plans, unlike governance tokens for similar projects.
And meme coins like the $TRUMP coin are essentially collectibles whose
value reflects the popularity of the internet joke, meme or personality
associated with them.
World Liberty Financial did not respond directly to requests for comment
for this article. In a letter to Reuters, Timothy Parlatore, a lawyer
for the company, said: “WLFI tokens are not securities; they are digital
assets with real utility, including governance rights that benefit
holders as the platform grows.” He also said: “The Alleged Valuation and
Income Analysis of WLFI Is Inaccurate and Misleading.”
In a subsequent email, Parlatore declined to provide further specifics
on the benefits to holders of World Liberty governance tokens or his
critique of the Reuters analysis.
The jump in the Trumps’ income represents “a massive pivot” for the
family business, said Carter Davis, an assistant professor of finance at
The Ohio State University who has studied cryptocurrency pricing and who
reviewed the Reuters calculations. “Even if you go through and you do
the most conservative estimate…it's pretty wild that you end up with
such a huge fraction of the income coming from crypto.”
‘LEGAL BUT UNETHICAL’
The identities of most buyers of the WLFI tokens are hidden behind
opaque “wallet” addresses – the unique identifiers investors use as keys
to access and manage their holdings. Among the few major buyers whose
identities are known – a mix of foreign and U.S. investors – most have
histories of legal and regulatory entanglements related to their
business endeavors. And as the Trump brothers’ travels over the past
year show, foreign investors have been a major target for token sales.
Reuters interviewed half a dozen foreign crypto entrepreneurs who met
with the Trump brothers. Five of them said they sought out the younger
Trumps for business opportunities because of their proximity to the
79-year-old president and hopes of cashing in on his political and
financial power.
For many other investors, the Trumps' involvement signaled a chance to
capitalize on the family’s name. Dorji Rabten’s Seoul-based venture
investment firm, Oddiyana Ventures, bought an undisclosed amount of WLFI
tokens in January. Rabten said he never met the Trump sons, but the
family's involvement was central to his investment. "In the first very
moment where we saw the project, we thought it's going to be very huge,
obviously, given the fact it's a president's sons taking up that
project," Rabten told Reuters in September.
Eric Trump made an appearance at the Bitcoin Asia conference in Hong
Kong in August. REUTERS/Tyrone Siu
The alignment of the Trump family’s crypto initiatives with President
Trump’s public role as overseer of U.S. crypto policy constitutes a
conflict of interest unprecedented in modern presidential history,
government ethics experts said.
“These people are not pouring money into coffers of the Trump family
business because of the brothers' acumen,” said Washington University
law professor Kathleen Clark, who specializes in government ethics and
was commenting on Reuters’ findings. “They are doing it because they
want freedom from legal constraints and impunity that only the president
can deliver.”
However, the ethicists said, unless the Trump brothers are explicitly
promising access to or favorable treatment from the president in their
sales pitches, they are breaking no laws. “It's legal but unethical,”
said Richard Painter, who served as chief ethics lawyer for President
George W. Bush and is now a professor at the University of Minnesota Law
School.
None of the more than a dozen people Reuters spoke with who had met with
the Trump brothers or their partners recounted any of them explicitly
offering presidential access or favors in return for investing in their
family businesses. The White House has repeatedly denied any conflict of
interest, saying that upon taking office, the president ended his
involvement in his businesses after placing them in a trust managed by
his children.
Still, as beneficiary of the trust that controls the Trump Organization,
the president will have the money the family is now making at his
disposal when he leaves office.
A White House spokeswoman referred Reuters to the Trump Organization for
comment. The Trump Organization’s chief legal officer did not respond to
a request for comment. Nor did Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr.
Parlatore, the World Liberty lawyer, said any suggestion that
investments in the firm are motivated by a desire to get closer to
President Trump “is a complete lie.” He pointed out that token purchases
on secondary markets – as opposed to direct purchases from the company –
do not benefit the World Liberty team.
BLURRING THE LINE
World Liberty advertises its plans on its website – an app for making
crypto deposits, for example, and a crypto-backed borrowing facility.
But for now, as a pure business play in a crowded field, it has little
to recommend it.
The venture has yet to unveil what it heralded last year as its core
business: a peer-to-peer financing platform capable of challenging
traditional banks. Since March, its leadership has actively promoted a
stablecoin – a cryptocurrency whose value is pegged to traditional
assets like dollars or gold – called USD1. While the stablecoin's name
belongs to World Liberty, the coin is issued and supported by another
company that pays World Liberty a share of the coin’s profits. The
coin's circulation is dwarfed by that of market leaders.
Further, while WLFI holders can vote on limited governance matters, the
platform is not designed to let them award themselves a share of
profits. That’s unusual among peer-to-peer crypto lending platforms,
according to two academics who study crypto markets and a Reuters review
of four of the largest platforms’ terms of business.
In July, holders voted to allow trading of the tokens on crypto
exchanges. World Liberty later said that only early buyers would be
allowed to sell, capped at no more than 20% of their tokens. After
trading began on September 1, the token price rose from an initial 31
cents to 46 cents and then sank about 65% three days later. It now
trades at around 14 cents.
In his letter to Reuters, Parlatore said broader adoption of the
stablecoin and other World Liberty products “directly benefits WLFI
governance token holders through established mechanics, which, while
complicated, are factual and already operational.” Asked for details of
those mechanics and how they would benefit token holders, he said in a
subsequent letter: “Your proposed article is based entirely on false
sources and a misinterpretation of basic principles.”
As recently as 2021, Donald J. Trump, speaking to Fox Business,
criticized cryptocurrencies as a threat to U.S. dollar supremacy and
said bitcoin “seems like a scam.” Three years later, his take on crypto
had changed. Just weeks before the November 2024 presidential election,
he kicked off sales of World Liberty tokens with a social media post:
“This is YOUR chance to help shape the future of finance,” he wrote.
Since Trump’s second inauguration, his administration, reversing many of
its predecessor’s positions, has been clearing the way for the crypto
industry’s growth in the U.S. The Justice Department axed its crypto
enforcement team. Regulators scrapped guidance warning banks to be
cautious about crypto-related risks. And the Securities and Exchange
Commission has paused or dropped lawsuits in high-profile cases against
crypto firms.
For its part, World Liberty conveys the impression of a presidential
connection. On the “Meet our team” section of its website, the firm
displays a portrait of President Trump, labeling him a “co-founder
emeritus.” The other co-founder emeritus shown is Steven Witkoff, a
billionaire real estate investor and President Trump’s special envoy to
the Middle East and for peace missions. (A small footnote says both men
were “removed upon taking office.”)
Don Jr., Eric and their younger brother, Barron Trump, are presented as
co-founders, as are Witkoff’s two sons, Zach and Alex. Zach Witkoff has
been a ubiquitous presence with the Trump brothers as they have traveled
the globe to tout tokens.
“Without the Trump name, you wouldn’t see World Liberty Financial
raising this kind of money,” said Santa Clara University finance
professor Seoyoung Kim, who specializes in crypto analytics. Kim said
she saw nothing of particular value in the technologies and services
announced by World Liberty, describing its value proposition as “being
part of the club.”
The business has transformed the Trump family’s wealth. Thanks to
continuing token sales, the Trumps’ crypto income is now approaching and
could even exceed $1 billion.
In early August, for example, about three weeks before WLFI began
trading, a tiny Nasdaq-listed blockchain services company, Alt5 Sigma,
said it had raised $750 million from investors to help buy 7.5% of all
World Liberty tokens. In corporate filings for the deal, Alt5 Sigma said
that the $750 million came from institutional investors and that almost
all of it was used to buy tokens from World Liberty. Based on that
information, the Trumps stood to gain about $500 million.
“It is an incredibly exciting time,” Eric Trump told Fox Business on
August 13, a day after the deal with Alt5 Sigma was finalized.
Since the deal was announced, Alt5 Sigma’s share price has dropped by
75%. That decline did not affect the cash the Trumps have already made
from the deal.
The Trumps’ cash income from crypto doesn’t even include the value of
the vast crypto assets the family has amassed in the past year.
Those assets include $TRUMP meme coins and World Liberty tokens the
family still holds. They also include shares in publicly listed Trump
Media & Technology Group, which runs Trump’s social-media platform Truth
Social and has expanded into crypto. These holdings are vulnerable to
wild price swings, are at risk of price collapse if major holders sell,
and can be subject to restrictions on sales and transfers. Nonetheless,
they carry an estimated value that – on paper, at least – could add more
than $11 billion to the family’s fortune.
THE FOREIGN ELEMENT
World Liberty began selling WLFI tokens in October last year to both
U.S. and foreign investors. But initial sales in the U.S. were slow. SEC
rules gave only wealthy investors access to the tokens, which shut out
small retail buyers who might have wanted to buy them as supporters of
the president, as they have done with scores of other products licensed
by the Trump Organization, from Trump-endorsed bibles to sneakers to
electric guitars.
Soon, as President-elect Trump’s second term approached, World Liberty
was at risk of losing access to the foreign buyers who were sustaining
token sales. The family’s self-imposed ethical guidelines for Trump’s
first term prohibited them from seeking new business outside the U.S.
Then, days before his second inauguration, the Trump Organization
released revised guidelines that jettisoned that constraint.
That worked. In a review conducted for Reuters of the 50 wallets holding
the largest amount of World Liberty tokens as of September 15, crypto
analytics firm Nansen found that 36 wallets – with holdings valued at
$804 million – were likely connected to overseas buyers. Only four
wallets were connected to U.S. investors, amounting to $889 million. But
most of that amount, $781 million, was held by Alt5 Sigma; an additional
$35 million was held by a World Liberty security adviser. Nansen was
unable to determine whether the remaining 10 wallets were connected to
Americans or foreigners based on blockchain data at the time of analysis.
Parlatore, the World Liberty lawyer, said that more foreigners than
Americans have bought crypto because there are more of them, and that
crypto has higher penetration rates outside the U.S. He added: “It was
basically harder to sell WLFI tokens to American investors, especially
initially, as the rules were very restrictive in the last administration
when the token sale began.”
Among the largest buyers of the tokens is Justin Sun, a Hong Kong-based
crypto billionaire. The SEC in 2023 charged Sun with fraud, selling
unregistered crypto securities and hiding payments to celebrities to
promote his products. With Trump back in the White House, the commission
paused the case in February, just weeks after Sun announced he had
increased his total purchases of World Liberty tokens to $75 million.
Under the terms of World Liberty’s cash distribution agreement with its
co-founders, Sun’s token purchases would have sent $56 million to the
Trump family.
Justin Sun did not respond to a request for comment. An SEC spokesperson
declined to comment. The investigation remains paused.
Foreign interests juiced the Trump family’s income through the World
Liberty USD1 stablecoin, too. In May, MGX, a state-controlled Abu Dhabi
investment company, used the coin to buy a $2 billion equity stake in
Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange. The deal still accounts
for three-quarters of all USD1 coins in circulation, though World
Liberty has cited it as evidence of “extraordinary, worldwide demand”
for the stablecoin.
The board chairman of MGX is Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the
UAE's national security adviser and a brother of UAE President Sheikh
Mohamed bin Zayed. The $2 billion MGX paid to create the stablecoins is
held in cash equivalents such as U.S. Treasury securities. World Liberty
says on its website that those securities kick off interest payments to
some of its affiliates, including one 38%-owned by the Trump
Organization. That income stream of about $80 million annually could
yield millions for the Trumps this year, based on Reuters calculations,
though because of the lack of public reporting, it’s not possible to
know the final figure.
The deal sparked criticism of what was widely viewed as an egregious
conflict of interest. Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren and Jeff
Merkley asked the Office of Government Ethics to launch an inquiry,
warning that MGX’s purchase using the stablecoin “may violate the
Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution,” which prohibits
officeholders from receiving payments or presents from foreign governments.
Eric Ueland, the Trump-appointed acting head of the Office of Government
Ethics, an independent agency in the executive branch, did not respond
to a request for comment. In response to a follow-up request to the
ethics office's spokesperson, Reuters received an automated message:
“Due to a lapse in appropriations,” a reference to the U.S. government
shutdown, “I will be unable to process requests or respond to inquiries.”
An MGX spokesperson referred Reuters to a previous statement which said
the company chose USD1 after evaluating several stablecoins, “examining
such factors as business suitability, the jurisdiction and currency of
assets backing the stablecoin, and compliance history.” It noted that
the stablecoin purchase did not constitute an investment in World
Liberty and that MGX used the stablecoin to complete a transaction in
which the seller had requested use of cryptocurrency.
MGX’s stablecoin investment also represented a turnabout for Binance in
the U.S. – from criminal convictions two years ago to a role in a deal
that financially benefits the U.S. president.
In late 2023, the exchange pleaded guilty in federal court to failing to
maintain an effective anti-money-laundering program and paid a penalty
of $4.3 billion. Its billionaire founder, China-born Changpeng Zhao,
served nearly four months in prison after pleading guilty to the same
charge and stepped down as CEO, but kept his Binance stake.
In May, shortly after the announcement that MGX was using the Trump
stablecoin to invest in Binance, Zhao told a podcaster that he had
applied for a pardon from the Trump administration but had never spoken
to the president. Last week, the White House announced that President
Trump had pardoned Zhao, saying that the previous administration of
President Joe Biden “severely damaged the United States’ reputation as a
global leader in technology and innovation.”
After the pardon was announced, Zhao posted on social media that he was
grateful to the president and would “do everything we can to help make
America the Capital of Crypto.”
Reuters could not determine whether World Liberty had any contact with
Binance before the latter accepted MGX’s investment using USD1
stablecoins. The White House did not respond to Reuters’ questions about
whether the stablecoin deal and Zhao’s pardon were connected.
MGX said it “did not seek or receive assurances from any party outside
the ordinary course of business for such a transaction.” The Trump
family and its business representatives did not respond to requests for
comment.
Binance and Zhao did not respond to requests for comment. In a letter to
Reuters before the pardon was announced, their lawyers said Binance and
Zhao are “clear” that they “conducted themselves entirely properly with
regard to the MGX investment” and that “any suggestion that the MGX
investment, or the use of USD1 for it, might in any way be linked to any
request Mr Zhao might make for a Presidential pardon, would be wholly
without foundation.” They said their clients “did not control the
payment method chosen by MGX for its investment in Binance.”
ROLLING OUT THE RED CARPET
The perception that Trump family businesses could provide a path to the
president was on display on April 27, when Donald Trump Jr. landed at
the airport in Sofia, Bulgaria. He descended the stairs from a
Gulfstream business jet to a red carpet on the tarmac and was whisked
away in a long motorcade of black vehicles.
It wasn’t a state visit. It was a stop on a tour of Eastern European
capitals where Don Jr. attended a series of conferences titled “Trump
Business Vision 2025.”
The Sofia event was sponsored by Nexo, a crypto firm based in the Cayman
Islands that left the U.S. market after the SEC fined it $45 million for
offering an unregistered securities product. As the conference in Sofia
got under way, Antoni Trenchev, Nexo’s co-founder and a former member of
the Bulgarian National Assembly, joined Don Jr. on stage. During the
event, Trenchev announced that Nexo intended to resume operations in the
U.S.
In a statement sent to Reuters, Nexo said the announcement “was not
linked to Mr. Trenchev’s interactions with Donald Trump Jr. or the
President of the United States.” The company also said it does not have
a confirmed timeline for returning to the U.S., but pointed out that
“the regulatory environment has begun to shift.”
By early July, Nexo had strengthened its ties to the Trump family. That
month, Nexo became a lead sponsor of a golf championship held at a
Trump-owned golf course near Aberdeen, Scotland. A few weeks later,
President Trump hosted Trenchev over lunch at his Scottish golf resort,
where the two discussed politics and their “joint vision for crypto in
the U.S.” during a day on the links, as Trenchev later posted on X with
a picture of him and the president.
Bulgarian Antoni Trenchev, while planning his Nexo crypto firm's return
to the U.S., posted on X after meeting with President Trump in Scotland:
“Thank you sincerely for what you are doing for all of us.” Screenshot via X
“Thank you sincerely for what you are doing for all of us,” Trenchev
wrote, tagging the U.S. president’s X handle.
Nexo said its sponsorship of the Scottish event was part of a broader
partnership with Europe's leading golf tour. The company said its
financial contribution to the partnership was eight figures but declined
to be more specific. It also said it did not know what portion of its
contribution, if any, would go to the Trump family.
A source familiar with the matter said Nexo agreed to pay about $10
million under the three-year deal.
A CHECKERED HISTORY
On May 1, four days after Don Jr. received a red carpet welcome in
Sofia, his brother Eric took the stage in Dubai with World Liberty
co-founder Zach Witkoff at a crypto conference called TOKEN2049. There,
they announced the MGX stablecoin deal and excoriated the traditional
banking system as antiquated and broken. “We are going to transform the
financial world,” Eric told the crowd.
Acting as a moderator was Justin Sun. At the time, he was the largest
known investor in World Liberty tokens. That would soon change. Hours
before walking on stage, Eric Trump had made his pitch for buying World
Liberty tokens to Guren “Bobby” Zhou and a few other crypto enthusiasts.
Justin Sun, Zach Witkoff and Eric Trump appeared for a panel discussion
at the TOKEN2049 conference in Dubai in May. REUTERS/Federico Maccioni
Zhou had recently served as chairman of the UAE offices of a British
Virgin Islands-registered crypto firm called Web3Port. He brought with
him to the meeting a checkered legal history.
Before moving to the UAE, Zhou lived in Britain, where he was arrested
in 2021 under suspicion of money laundering, according to a February
2024 court judgment in a separate case involving his UK immigration
status. The judgment says Zhou denied any wrongdoing. Britain’s National
Crime Agency, which passed the case to prosecutors in 2022, confirmed to
Reuters that Zhou remains under investigation.
Additionally, in three separate civil cases between 2017 and 2023, Zhou
and a family member were found by Chinese courts to have failed to repay
loans totaling 19.4 million yuan (about $2.4 million at current exchange
rates), according to court judgments reviewed by Reuters. One of those
judgments notes that Zhou failed to appear in court and was tried in
absentia.
Zhou did not respond to requests for comment. The Aqua Labs statement
said: “Any allegations of wrongdoing contained in recent media enquiries
are entirely false. Mr Guren (“Bobby”) Zhou has never been convicted of
any financial crime in any jurisdiction, and any implication to the
contrary is defamatory and false.”
Reuters could not determine whether Eric Trump was aware of those
details when the two met. Parlatore, the World Liberty lawyer, noted
that primary sales of World Liberty tokens are subject to review, but
did not respond to questions about the vendors the company uses or what
steps it takes beyond an initial check of buyers’ identities.
About a month after Zhou met with Eric Trump, in mid-June, Web3Port’s
BVI entities changed their names, adopting “Aqua1” in place of
“Web3Port,” according to local government records. Just days later, on
June 26, Aqua1 Foundation announced its $100 million purchase of World
Liberty tokens.
Then, on June 30, the host of a livestream chat on X out of the UAE
started talking about the excitement surrounding Aqua1. And “guess
what,” the host said, there was “a special guest from Aqua1 Foundation”
on the line. That guest was Zhou, who said, “We're very proud to be, you
know, a major player in the World Liberty, which is Trump's family's
crypto venture.”
Oct. 29, 2025
"Né verticale né orizzontale" presentazione del libro di Rodrigo Nunes | 6 novembre 2025, ore 16.00
by Nexa - Media
Gentilissime, gentilissimi,
Vi invitiamo alla presentazione del libro “Né verticale né orizzontale. Una teoria dell’organizzazione politica" (Edizioni Alegre), che si terrà giovedì 6 novembre dalle ore 16.00 alle ore 18.30, organizzata in collaborazione con l’Associazione Politecnico Futuro.
Ospite dell’incontro l’autore, il Prof. Rodrigo Nunes (Università di Essex), che dialogherà con il pubblico in sala.
L’evento si terrà solo IN PRESENZA, presso la Sala Conferenze “Luigi Ciminiera” del Dipartimento di Automatica e Informatica - Politecnico di Torino (Corso Castelfidardo 34/D<https://www.google.com/maps/place//data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47886d1904cc5627:0x570…>, 5° piano).
Per maggiori informazioni è possibile consultare la pagina web dedicata all’incontro: https://nexa.polito.it/ne-verticale-ne-orizzontale-nunes/
In allegato il comunicato dell’evento.
Vi ringraziamo per l’attenzione,
Un saluto cordiale,
--
Valeria Bergantino
Communication Manager
Nexa Center for Internet & Society
Politecnico di Torino – DAUIN
Via Pier Carlo Boggio, 65/a – 10138 Torino
web: https://nexa.polito.it
mail: valeria.bergantino(a)polito.it<mailto:valeria.bergantino@polito.it>
tel: 3473443585
Oct. 28, 2025
Re: [nexa] AWS crash causes $2, 000 Smart Beds to overheat and get stuck upright
by Alfredo Bregni
Salve.
Qualcuno ha preconizzato futuri foschi / ..."indecenti".
In un futuro "decente", il frigorifero (per dire qualsiasi device casalingo o da ufficio) avrà un collegamento remoto abilitato in locale (o un abilitazione remotizzata, ma sempre abilitata in locale), nonché una qualche memoria duplicata, ma non "abdicata" in remoto (la soluzione migliore è dare in remoto solo memorie "temporanee", se massive, tenendo per sé quelle permanenti, ma ognuno farà come gli pare).
IN OGNI CASO, si progetta in condizioni di anomalia (prima delle quali: rete non connessa / server remoti down), ...altrimenti tanto vale "abdicare" anche la progettazione.
Forse ho realizzato (indirettamente!) il primo sportello bancario basato su PC (1990), e quando la prima filiale "nuova" è stata aperta, il mainframe -- andato down -- ha bloccato le altre 99, ma non quella: chi aveva fisicamente progettato il sistema aveva giustamente "ragionato" / "previsto" che potesse accadere.
"Meglio prendere gli esempi migliori che i peggiori", direbbe Catalano (o La Palice).
Oct. 27, 2025
Re: [nexa] Google flags Immich sites as dangerous
by 380°
Buongiorno,
già perché non basta in DNS blocking, ci vogliono le liste di proscrizione (gestite da altri, mica direttamente da voi)
On 2025-10-25, Giacomo Tesio wrote:
[...]
> Google offers a service called Safe Browsing , which aims to determine
> if a site is running malware, unwanted software, or performs some form
> of social engineering. The service is free, and many browsers, including
> Chrome & Firefox, directly integrate the service into their products,
> although it is still a bit unclear how it actually determines if something
> is "dangerous". [...]
Sì, le blacklists fanno schifo, sono gestite in modo talmente opaco da puzzare di /protezione/ (di cui non potete fare a meno, sennò vi succedono cose bruttissime)
con le email è anche peggio che col web
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklist_(computing)
[...]
> Tutto questo per riuscire a spiare e profilare anche coloro che non
> usano il suo browser, usano adblocker seri come uBlock Origin, piHole,
> Rethink DNS etc, ma magari credono ancora alla favola di Mozilla Firefox che
> protegge la privacy degli utenti.
su Internet /praticamente/ non esiste privacy... ma è certo che il volume di non-privacy varia tantissimo in funzione delle schifezze che usiamo: all web browsers sucks, some sucks less.
> Ironia del fato, proprio in questi giorni Google ha rilasciato una nuova versione di Google Chrome² che va a correggere UNA SINGOLA vulnerabilità,
Beh, se è per questo a me fa letteralmente scompisciare dalle risate che tutto 'sto CIRCO del "safe browsing" sia stato messo in piedi per dare l'illusione agli utenti di essere al riparo da phishing e malware che sono così _efficaci_ proprio perché dal punto di vista della sicurezza (exploit e via dicendo) i browser sono dei colabrodi praticamente inemendabili, ma da anni!
[...]
> Dunque evitate e sconsigliate Safe Browsing, qualunque browser usiate⁵.
io ero talmente sicuro dei browser che uso che non sono mai andato a controllare: Librewolf ha disabilitato - per ragioni di privacy e tecniche [1] - la funzione di default, mentre Ungoogled Chromium l'ha proprio _scartavetrata_ via [2]; molto bene!
tutto il resto è spiegato bene su Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Safe_Browsing
[...]
saluti, 380°
[1] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-do-you-disable-google-safe-browsing
[2] https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-wiki/faq#why-is-saf…
--
380° (lost in /traslation/)
«Welcome to the chaos of the times
If you go left and I go right
Pray we make it out alive
This is Karmageddon»
Oct. 27, 2025
Re: [nexa] En attendant les robots: Offshoring automation (a Japanese use case).
by 380°
Buongiorno,
On 2025-10-23, 380° wrote:
[...]
> mentre ancora stiamo «En attendant les robots» (più o meno dal 1970), servono urgentemente schia... ops, lavoratori "a pacchi" (o a chili?), "on-demand" e "just in time" [1] ma soprattutto che costino metà dei serbi e metà della metà degli italiani (che già sono sottopagati); evidentemente la delocalizzazione non è più così lucrativa e i flussi migratori - di lavoratori qualificati, mi raccomando - verso i paesi (relativamente) ricchi sono ancora _drammaticamente_ insufficienti.
[...]
In Giappone qualcuno ha escogitato la soluzione per risolvere il problema della scarsità di manodopera /a basso costo/ dovuta alle politiche di immigrazione del governo («the country has been cautious about expanding immigration»): "automazione" _offshore_.
Molto significativo che lo stipendio degli operai-operatori sia del tutto analogo a quello dei lavoratori Nepalesi in trasferta _spintanea_ in Serbia di cui si parla nell'articolo precedente in questo thread: attorno ai 300€ o 300$ al mese.
Quindi è sciantificamente dimostrato che la /finta/ (semi, parziale, smart ma non abbastanza?) automazione serve da _proxy_ per le politiche di COMMODIFICATION dei _lavoratori_, che attraverso l'automazione e i processi disumanizzati perdono la caretteristica di /persone/, tornando a essere ingranaggio come all'inizio della "rivoluzione industriale": si chiude il cerchio.
https://restofworld.org/2025/philippines-offshoring-automation-tech-jobs/
«Japanese convenience stores are hiring robots run by workers in the Philippines»
By Michael Beltran
20 October 2025 • Manila, Philippines
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Filipino tele-operators remotely control Japan's convenience store robots and train AI, benefiting from an uptick in automation-related jobs.
• Tele-operation of robots allows physical labor to be offshored.
• The Philippines is seeing steady hiring by global companies for AI-related IT service and tech jobs.
• Filipinos are paid less than their counterparts in the developed world, and worry they will lose their jobs to automation.
Inside a multistory office building in Manila's financial district, around 60 young men and women monitored and controlled artificial intelligence robots restocking convenience store shelves in distant Japan.
Occasionally, when a bot dropped a can, someone would don a virtual-reality headset and use joysticks to help recover it.
The AI robots are designed by Tokyo-based startup Telexistence, and run on Nvidia and Microsoft platforms. Since 2022, the company has deployed the machines in the back rooms of over 300 FamilyMart and Lawson stores in Tokyo. It is also planning to use them soon in 7-Elevens.
Robots restocking convenience store shelves in Japan are monitored remotely by employees in Manila.
The bots are remotely monitored 24/7 in Manila by the employees of Astro Robotics, a robot-workforce startup. Japan faces a worker shortage as its population ages, and the country has been cautious about expanding immigration. Telexistence's bots offer a workaround, allowing physical labor to be offshored, Juan Paolo Villonco, Astro Robotics' founder, told /Rest of World./ This lowers costs for companies and increases their scale of operations, he said.
“It's hard to find workers to do stacking [in Japan],” said Villonco. “If you get one who's willing to do it, it's going to be very expensive. The minimum wage is quite expensive.”
It's easy to get young, tech-savvy Filipinos to operate the robots, he said. Each tele-operator, called a “pilot,” monitors around 50 robots at a time, an employee told /Rest of World/. Most workers in this article requested anonymity to safeguard their jobs.
The bots are usually autonomous, but occasionally — about [4%] of the time — they mess up. Perhaps they drop a bottle, which rolls away. Getting the AI bot to recover it by mimicking the human grip perfectly — the friction, the feel of metal in the hand — is one of the more challenging problems in robotics. That's when a pilot steps in.
Astro Robotics' tele-operators are benefiting from an AI- and automation-related boom in IT-service work and tech jobs in the Philippines, even as [layoffs] hit similar workers in richer countries. Filipino tech workers maneuver industrial robots, drive autonomous vehicles, collaborate with AI on various tasks, or help build “AI agents,” which are computer programs that enable autonomous action.
[...] They mostly work for companies based outside the Philippines, Rowel Atienza, a professor of machine learning at the University of the Philippines, told /Rest of World/. A third of his students are employed by foreign firms, including ones based in the U.S., he said.
[...] The combination of automation and offshoring is a “game changer” for the U.S., Robert said. Automation was expected to reduce the number of jobs locally but raise the demand for skilled workers who would receive higher pay. “But by offshoring those jobs, you have a double whammy in an economic sense,” he said.
Developing AI agent systems in the U.S. can cost anywhere from $10,000 for a basic chatbot to $300,000 for an enterprise-level autonomous system, Robert said. Costs would be much lower in the Philippines, where contractors usually do not receive health care or retirement benefits, he said.
[...] Each tele-operator earns between $250 and $315 per month, roughly the same as a call center agent, an employee told /Rest of World/.
Their job is to monitor the robot and prepare reports about its performance. In the rare cases when the bot makes a mistake, they strap on a VR headset and use joysticks to manually control grasp and place the drink back on the shelf, the worker said.
[...] The worker said they often feel dizzy and cross-eyed from cybersickness, a type of motion sickness associated with VR. Its occurrence is related to how much they use the headset: In a typical eight-hour shift, they take over the robot about 50 times, and it takes up to five minutes each time to resolve the error.
[...] The tele-operators' movements are helping train fully autonomous robots for Telexistence. Over the years, the company has gathered “a large amount of unique ‘embodied' teleoperation data and know-how” from its human workers, according to a [press release] in June. The company is providing this information to San Francisco-based startup Physical Intelligence to help develop foundation AI models aimed at giving robots human-like “physical intelligence” — the ability to perform basic physical tasks, such as grasping or manipulating objects.
[...] Robert said full automation may never be achieved, and some humans would always be needed to monitor automated systems. “Are robots and AI gonna take all the jobs from humans? The answer is no — because humans are pretty useful. The future is a robotic-AI-automation-human hybrid workforce,” he said.
[...] That hybrid future is already visible in the Philippines. Aside from IT-service work, Filipino IT engineers are helping build the AI systems transforming how people work globally.
[...] Filipino workers are eager to work for foreign companies because they pay better than local firms. Marc Escobar, chief technology officer of Philippines-based startup Sofi AI, was offered a job as an AI engineer for Anthropic, the California-based startup behind [Claude].
He was offered $1,500 a month — high pay for a 22-year-old fresh out of university. But Escobar turned it down. Though Sofi AI pays about half as much, his company believes in creating opportunities for engineers locally, he said.
“I can't do it [join a foreign company] because I want to see our local efforts, our company, succeed,” Escobar said. “I want to show that we can also upscale with AI in the Philippines.”
[Michael Beltran] is a Labor x Tech reporter based in Manila, Philippines.
[4%]
<https://www.theworldfolio.com/interviews/telexistence-revolutionizing-robot…>
[layoffs] <https://restofworld.org/2024/indian-workers-us-tech-layoffs/>
[content moderation]
<https://restofworld.org/2025/tiktok-moderators-turkey/>
[training]
<https://restofworld.org/2025/generative-ai-clickwork-venezuela-migrants/>
[according]
<https://www.marknteladvisors.com/research-library/ai-agent-market.html>
[expected]
<https://www.360iresearch.com/library/intelligence/industrial-robotic-arms>
[press release] <https://tx-inc.com/en/blog/2025/06/25/12307/>
[surveyed]
<https://www.weforum.org/publications/the-future-of-jobs-report-2025/digest/>
[Claude] <http://claude.ai>
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«Welcome to the chaos of the times
If you go left and I go right
Pray we make it out alive
This is Karmageddon»
Oct. 27, 2025
MEMENTO | 125° Nexa Lunch Seminar | 29 ottobre 2025, ore 13.00
by Nexa - Media
Gentilissime, gentilissimi,
Vi ricordiamo che mercoledì 29 ottobre, dalle ore 13.00 alle ore 14.00, si terrà il 125° Nexa Lunch Seminar
con un incontro dal titolo "Spyware in the wild".
Ospite dell'incontro: Gilberto Conti (Osservatorio Nessuno).
L'incontro si terrà IN PRESENZA e ONLINE.
SEDE FISICA dell'incontro: Centro Nexa su Internet e Società, Politecnico di Torino, Via Boggio 65/a, Torino (1° piano).
Per accedere alla sala si raccomanda di suonare al citofono Portineria e di seguire le indicazioni segnalate lungo il percorso.
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Un saluto cordiale,
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Oct. 27, 2025
"AI Industry’s Illegal $1 Trillion Funding Loop: Here’s What’s Really Happening"
by maurizio tirassa
Nuovamente buonasera:
"AI is the new gold rush, but the money isn’t moving how most people think. In 2025 alone, OpenAI (creator of ChatGPT) and its partners have signed over $1 trillion worth of deals. The twist here is that OpenAI only actually made $4.3 billion in the first six months of the year, so where on earth is the money coming from?"
https://expose-news.com/2025/10/19/ai-industry-illegal-1-trillion-funding-l…
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Prof. Maurizio Tirassa, Ph.D.
University of Turin
Department of Psychology
via Verdi, 10 - 10124 Torino, Italy
.
Oct. 25, 2025
Fwd: [ScienzeCognitive] Giuseppe Trautteur (1936-2025)
by maurizio tirassa
Buonasera,
immagino che molti degli iscritti a questa lista conoscessero Giuseppe Trautteur.
Mi duole essere latore di questa notizia.
Un saluto a tutti,
Maurizio Tirassa
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "'Gustavo Cevolani' via Scienze Cognitive" <ScienzeCognitive(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:ScienzeCognitive@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [ScienzeCognitive] Giuseppe Trautteur (1936-2025)
> Date: 22 October 2025 at 16:42:38
> To: scienzecognitive(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:scienzecognitive@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: Gustavo Cevolani <gustavo.cevolani(a)imtlucca.it <mailto:gustavo.cevolani@imtlucca.it>>
>
> Cari soci,
>
> con grande tristezza annunciamo la scomparsa del Prof. Giuseppe Trautteur, già Professore Emerito di Informatica presso l'Università Federico II di Napoli. Il Prof. Trautteur ha svolto un ruolo cruciale nella riflessione teorica e filosofica sulla cibernetica, sulla computazione nei sistemi biologici, sul rapporto tra menti, cervelli e macchine, e sui problemi legati alla possibilità della coscienza artificiale. La sua notevole attività editoriale ha permesso a generazioni di studiose e studiosi di conoscere autori e testi di fondamentale importanza per lo studio della mente e dei sistemi di calcolo. Coloro che hanno avuto l'onore e il piacere di conoscerlo e di interagire con lui sentiranno la mancanza della sua brillantezza intellettuale, della sua inesauribile curiosità, e di quella gentilezza e generosità d'animo che rendevano ogni conversazione un piacevole momento di scoperta. La figura e l'eredità di Giuseppe Trautteur saranno dovutamente ricordate e celebrate nell'ambito delle prossime iniziative dell'AISC.
>
> Un caro saluto,
>
> Gustavo Cevolani
> per il Consiglio Direttivo dell'AISC
>
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> Gustavo Cevolani
>
> Associate Professor of Logic and Philosophy of Science
>
> MInD <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://momilab.imtlucca.it/research/mind&sour…> - Models, Inferences, and Decisions
> MoMiLab <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://momilab.imtlucca.it/home&source=gmail-…> - Molecular Mind Laboratory
> IMT School for Advanced Studies Lucca
> Piazza S. Francesco, 19, 55100 Lucca (Italy)
> room 158, first floor - phone 0538 4326 611
> https://www.imtlucca.it/gustavo.cevolani <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.imtlucca.it/gustavo.cevolani&sourc…>
> http://www.gustavocevolani.it/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.gustavocevolani.it/&source=gmail-im…>
>
> AISC - Italian Association of Cognitive Sciences <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.associazione-scienze-cognitive.it/…> (President 2023-25)
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> Center for Logic, Language, and Cognition <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.llc.unito.it/&source=gmail-imap&us…>
> Center for Philosophy, Science, and Policy <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://cpsp.univpm.it/&source=gmail-imap&ust=…> (CPSP)
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University of Turin
Department of Psychology
via Verdi, 10 - 10124 Torino, Italy
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Oct. 25, 2025
Google flags Immich sites as dangerous
by Giacomo Tesio
Earlier this month all of our *.immich.cloud¹ websites were marked
as dangerous and users started being shown the dreaded
"red-screen-of-death" page. [...]
Google offers a service called Safe Browsing , which aims to determine
if a site is running malware, unwanted software, or performs some form
of social engineering. The service is free, and many browsers, including
Chrome & Firefox, directly integrate the service into their products,
although it is still a bit unclear how it actually determines if something
is "dangerous". [...]
So basically it becomes unavailable for your entire audience with little apparent recourse. [...]
After a few days we realized this warning was not going to go away on its own,
and that the Google Search Console was apparently the official way to manage
these types of issues. It seems a bit crazy that the only way to make our site
available again was to create a Google account, and use the Google Search
Console to request a review of the affected site. [...]
Many popular projects have run into similar issues, such as:
- Jellyfin
- YunoHost
- n8n
- NextCloud
- other Immich deployments
etc.
Unfortunately, Google seems to have the ability to arbitrarily flag any domain and make it immediately unaccessible to users. I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done when this happens, except constantly request another review from the all mighty Google.
Continua su <https://immich.app/blog/google-flags-immich-as-dangerous>
Al di là dei dettagli contingenti, vorrei sottolineare il dark-pattern che
Google usa per imporre il suo ennesimo sistema di sorveglianza:
far leva sulla paura dell'utente ignorante.
Confido che pochi degli iscritti a Nexa lascino Safe Browsing attivo sui propri
browser, perché il controllo avviene sui server di Google e le mitigazioni
adottate (usare parte di un hash dell'URL visitata invece dell'URL intera
inviata inizialmente) permettono comunque a Google di ricostruire la
navigazione più probabile di un utente incrociando una sequenza di
hash richiesti da un IP (alla luce della mappa complessiva del web e
delle possibili navigazioni fra le pagine di cui dispone).
Tutto questo per riuscire a spiare e profilare anche coloro che non
usano il suo browser, usano adblocker seri come uBlock Origin, piHole,
Rethink DNS etc, ma magari credono ancora alla favola di Mozilla Firefox che
protegge la privacy degli utenti.
Ironia del fato, proprio in questi giorni Google ha rilasciato una nuova
versione di Google Chrome² che va a correggere UNA SINGOLA vulnerabilità,
la CVE-2025-11756, di cui al momento non si sa nulla se non che
- è legata al componente di Safe Browsing - permette la esecuzione remota di codice arbitrario sul browser³
- è valsa 7000$ al ricercatore che l'ha riscoperta e segnalata a Google sui
canali ufficiali
- è talmente grave da richiedere un rilascio di Chrome per fixare SOLO lei.
Ne deriva che:
- Google Safe Browsing NON è safe, da anni
- il suo unico reale scopo è la profilazione, anche di utenti fuori dal recinto di Google
- può essere usato per censurare qualsiasi pagina (parliamo della stessa società
che ha rinominato il Golfo del Messico su richiesta di Trump)
Se vi sembra incredibile che Google spenda così tanti soldi per ottenere
una quantità marginale di dati in più rispetto a quelli che già ottiene dai
miliardi di poveri succubi che usano i suoi servizi, dovete considerare
come il valore d'uso dei dati personali cresce in modo esponenziale,
duplicando con ogni nuovo bit.
Una caratteristica in netto contrasto con la legge dei ritorni decrescenti che
caratterizza gli asset finanziari nei modelli economici (modelli del tutto inadeguati
a spiegare la società cibernetica in cui viviamo⁴).
Dunque evitate e sconsigliate Safe Browsing, qualunque browser usiate⁵.
Giacomo
¹ Immich è un software opensource AGPLv3 che si può eseguire sui propri server.
² <https://web.archive.org/web/20251025085103/https://chromereleases.googleblo…>
³ In altri termini, i siti che riuscissero a sfruttarla avrebbero pieno accesso al
computer del visitatore, una manna per agenzie di spionaggio, governi,
minatori di criptomenate, ransomware vari etc...
⁴ <https://video.linuxtrent.it/w/sWFcXj4DpWPTkvdi7jA61u?start=40m1s>
⁵ Verrà sicuramente qualcuno a rispondere che dipende tutto dal vostro treat model,
ovvero da cosa sapete delle minacce a cui siete esposti. In astratto, non è falso
e se volete approfondire il concetto ne avevo parlato qui: <https://video.linuxtrent.it/w/6Ns7mBpXcs5eJKd7wrQqx1?start=12m7s>
Tuttavia solo un idiota, dopo aver analizzato la minaccia posta dalle
volpi, affiderebbe le galline ai lupi.
Oct. 25, 2025
[Responsible AI Talk]The Ethics of AI in National Defence, Mariarosaria Taddeo, Oxford Internet Institute
by Daniele Quercia
Title: The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence in National Defence
Mariarosaria Taddeo, Oxford Internet Institute
Join the meeting now<https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_OTI5MGQzNjEtYWM1ZC00…>
Abstract: Defence establishments worldwide now recognise artificial intelligence (AI) as a pivotal asset to secure a strategic advantage. Consequently, the race to harness AI for defence purposes is accelerating globally, with its integration spanning from logistical frameworks to combat operations. This widespread adoption of AI into defence prompts both operational and conceptual changes, which in many cases are coupled with severe ethical risks. Consider, for example, the responsibility gap for the actions of AI systems or their limited predictability and transparency and the implications these aspects have for human control. Identifying and addressing these risks is crucial to ensure that an AI-enabled defence does not trample human rights or erode the fundamental values of democratic societies. In this lecture, I will outline a unified framework to identify, analyse, and address systematically the ethical risks arising from the many current—and possible—uses of AI in defence, as well as inform their governance.
Bio: Mariarosaria Taddeo is Professor of Digital Ethics and Defence Technologies at the Oxford Internet Institute, University of Oxford. Her work focuses mainly on digital ethics, the ethical analysis of artificial intelligence (AI), ethics of AI for national defence, cybersecurity, cyber conflicts, and ethics of digital innovation. Her research has been published in major journals like Nature, Nature Machine Intelligence, Science, and Science Robotics. She has received multiple awards, the 2010 Simon Award for Outstanding Research in Computing and Philosophy; the 2016 World Technology Award for Ethics. In 2018, InspiringFifty named her among the most inspiring 50 Italian women working in technology. ORBIT listed her among the top 100 women working on Ethics of AI in the world. She is one the twelve 2020 "Outstanding Rising Talents" named by the Women's Forum for Economy and Society. In 2023, she has been awarded the title of Grande Ufficiale al Merito Della Repubblica Italiana, by the Italian President of the Republic Sergio Mattarella. Since 2016, Taddeo serves as editor-in-chief of Minds & Machines (SpringerNature) and of Philosophical Studies Series (SpringerNature). Since 2020, Taddeo serves in the Ethics Advisory Panel to the UK Ministry of Defence. In 2024, she published a book entitled ‘The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence in Defence’ with Oxford University Press.
Subscribe to future talk announcements: Anyone outside Bell Labs can receive talk announcements by subscribing to the mailing list. To subscribe, send an empty email with the subject line "Subscribe RAI" to daniele.quercia@<mailto:daniele.quercia@nokia-bell-labs.com>polito.it.
Oct. 24, 2025
Re: [nexa] ChatGPT's Atlas: The Browser That's Anti-Web (Anil Dash)
by Maria Chiara Pievatolo
On 10/23/25 19:58, Andrea Trentini wrote:
> a me fa venire in mente, per i tempi attuali, il "sistema Frizzera" in ambito fiscale :)
>
A me fa venire in mente questo
https://www.anildash.com//2025/10/22/atlas-anti-web-browser/
che è un'epitome automatica *progettato apposta* per tenerti lontano dai
testi, per usarti per raggiungere materiali che al compilatore sarebbero
inaccessibili e per sottoporti a una sorveglianza perfetta.
Non lo riassumo. Leggete l'articolo, se volete, finché potete :-)
A presto,
MCP
Oct. 24, 2025
R: AWS crash causes $2, 000 Smart Beds to overheat and get stuck upright
by Daniela Tafani
Buongiorno, Marco,
qui la notizia sull'azienda per la quale fai "uso non autorizzato" dell'aprigarage che hai acquistato,
se pretendi di usarlo per aprirci il tuo garage senza la sua app:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/chamberlain-blocks-smart-garage-doo…
Chamberlain Group—the owner of most of the garage door opener brands like LiftMaster, Chamberlain, Merlin, and Grifco—would like its customers to stop doing smart home things with its “myQ” smart garage door openers. The company recently issued a statement decrying “unauthorized usage” of its smart garage door openers. That’s “unauthorized usage” by the people who bought the garage door opener, by the way. Basically, Chamberlain’s customers want to trigger the garage door and see its status through third-party smart home apps, and Chamberlain doesn’t want that.
Here’s the statement:
Chamberlain Group recently made the decision to prevent unauthorized usage of our myQ ecosystem through third-party apps.
This decision was made so that we can continue to provide the best possible experience for our 10 million+ users, as well as our authorized partners who put their trust in us. We understand that this impacts a small percentage of users, but ultimately this will improve the performance and reliability of myQ, benefiting all of our users.
We encourage those who were impacted to check out our authorized partners here: https://www.myq.com/works-with-myq.
We caught wind of this statement through the Home Assistant blog, a popular open source smart home platform. The myQ integration is being stripped from the project because it doesn’t work anymore. Allegedly, Chamberlain has been sabotaging Home Assistant support for a while now, with the integration maintainer, Lash-L, telling the Home Assistant blog, “We are playing a game of cat and mouse with MyQ and right now it looks like the cat is winning.”
Our immediate question is why would any garage opener company care about customers using its garage door opener. You sell garage door openers—isn’t usage the goal? A quick perusal through the app store reviews reveals what’s going on. The iOS app is sitting pretty at 4.8 stars, but the Android app has suffered a wave of one-star reviews starting in October.
“Sadly, this app now displays advertisement at the very top and I cannot find a way to disable it,” writes one Play Store reviewer (Google doesn’t provide links to reviews). “This is very disturbing and on top of it, it moves my garage opening button out of the visible part of the screen. So to use it I now have to first look at the ads, then scroll down and hope to find my button.” Another user writes, “I don’t want ads in an app that I have already paid for the companion product.” Other one-star reviews mention things like, “I clicked door open/close event and it popped up the video storage subscription dialog to ask me to subscribe,” and, “Most of the app is dedicated to trying to upsell you on services and devices you don’t need.”
Appena ho recuperato l'altro, te lo mando.
A presto,
Daniela
________________________________________
Da: nexa <nexa-bounces(a)server-nexa.polito.it> per conto di M. Fioretti <mfioretti(a)nexaima.net>
Inviato: venerdì 24 ottobre 2025 05:29
A: nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it
Oggetto: Re: [nexa] AWS crash causes $2, 000 Smart Beds to overheat and get stuck upright
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 14:58:40 PM +0200, Daniela Tafani wrote:
> Perché, altrimenti, l'unica app con cui posso attivare il mio
> aprigarage dovrebbe impedirmi di aprire il mio garage se prima non
> mi sorbisco un annuncio pubblicitario?
> ...
> avrai letto, ad esempio, quante persone devono restare pazientemente
> all'interno della loro auto, pur avendo appena parcheggiato e
> apprestandosi a uscire dal veicolo, perché un aggiornamento di un
> software inessenziale di quello stesso veicolo li diffida dallo
> spengere il motore.
io no, non ho mai sentito ne' questa storia ne' quella degli
aprigarage con spot obbligatorio incorporato. Link a entrambe le
storie e prodotti per favore?
Grazie,
Marco?
Oct. 24, 2025
Re: [nexa] AWS crash causes $2, 000 Smart Beds to overheat and get stuck upright
by M. Fioretti
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 14:58:40 PM +0200, Daniela Tafani wrote:
> Perché, altrimenti, l'unica app con cui posso attivare il mio
> aprigarage dovrebbe impedirmi di aprire il mio garage se prima non
> mi sorbisco un annuncio pubblicitario?
> ...
> avrai letto, ad esempio, quante persone devono restare pazientemente
> all'interno della loro auto, pur avendo appena parcheggiato e
> apprestandosi a uscire dal veicolo, perché un aggiornamento di un
> software inessenziale di quello stesso veicolo li diffida dallo
> spengere il motore.
io no, non ho mai sentito ne' questa storia ne' quella degli
aprigarage con spot obbligatorio incorporato. Link a entrambe le
storie e prodotti per favore?
Grazie,
Marco?
Oct. 24, 2025
Re: [nexa] Austria DPA contro MS.
by Monica A. Senor
Buonasera Stefano,
dalla decisione (peraltro pubblicata da NOYB sul proprio sito web e non
dall'autorità di protezione dati austriaca, cfr.
https://noyb.eu/sites/default/files/2025-10/Microsoft_Education_365_Beschei…)
emerge che il reclamo è stato presentato nei confronti di Microsoft
Corporation (oltre che nei confronti dell'istituto scolastico, della
direzione distrettuale scolastica e del Ministero dell'istruzione
austriaco).
L'autorità di controllo austriaca ha considerato Microsoft Corporation
titolare del trattamento in quanto la società statunitense sviluppa e
lancia i prodotti Microsoft nell'area SEE.
Nel caso di specie, dunque, non trova affatto applicazione l'art. 56, par.
2, del GDPR da te citato, che è norma derogatoria, in ipotesi eccezionali,
del meccanismo del one-stop-shop, bensì l'art. 3, par. 2, lett. a), del
GDPR che determina la sussistenza della giurisdizione europea sulla base
del principio del targeting, segnatamente la giurisdizione è ancorata
all'offerta di un prodotto o di un servizio ad interessati che si trovano
nell'Unione da parte di un titolare non stabilito nella UE.
In tale ipotesi, la competenza a decidere, ai sensi dell'art. 58 del GDPR,
non è ravvisabile in capo all'autorità di controllo capofila (che sarebbe
stata la Data Protection Commission irlandese se il titolare fosse stato
individuato in Microsoft Ireland Operations Ltd., stabilimento europeo di
Microsoft Corporation) bensì in capo a ciascuna autorità di controllo
nazionale (nella fattispecie in esame, la DSB austriaca).
Il caso è interessante non per i soprariportati profili procedurali (per
nulla innovativi) ma semmai per la parte relativa alla individuazione della
titolarità del trattamento in capo alla US-based company invece che nella
società stabilità in Irlanda (invero, una parte non particolarmente
motivata).
Un caro saluto a tutt*,
Monica
Il giorno gio 23 ott 2025 alle ore 21:17 Stefano Quintarelli via nexa <
nexa(a)server-nexa.polito.it> ha scritto:
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>
> https://cybernews.com/privacy/microsoft-may-not-track-school-children-austr…
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> art. 56 comma 2: . In deroga al paragrafo 1, ogni autorità di controllo
> è competente per la gestione dei reclami a essa proposti o di eventuali
> violazioni del presente regolamento se l'oggetto riguarda unicamente uno
> stabilimento nel suo Stato membro o incide in modo sostanziale sugli
> interessati unicamente nel suo Stato membro.
>
> i trattamenti erano solo austriaci e quindi hanno agito.
>
> e' un precedente interessante
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Oct. 23, 2025
Austria DPA contro MS.
by Stefano Quintarelli
https://cybernews.com/privacy/microsoft-may-not-track-school-children-austr…
art. 56 comma 2: . In deroga al paragrafo 1, ogni autorità di controllo
è competente per la gestione dei reclami a essa proposti o di eventuali
violazioni del presente regolamento se l'oggetto riguarda unicamente uno
stabilimento nel suo Stato membro o incide in modo sostanziale sugli
interessati unicamente nel suo Stato membro.
i trattamenti erano solo austriaci e quindi hanno agito.
e' un precedente interessante
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Oct. 23, 2025
Re: [nexa] AWS crash causes $2, 000 Smart Beds to overheat and get stuck upright
by Andrea Trentini
a me fa venire in mente, per i tempi attuali, il "sistema Frizzera" in ambito fiscale :)
On 23/10/2025 17:06, Maria Chiara Pievatolo wrote:
> ...
> Per chi fosse interessato, in epoca alto-medioevale si compilavano epitomi e raccolte orientate agli
> utenti, che permettessero di evitare di leggere il testo giuridico originale così da fornire più
> semplici norme di interesse pratico per una società che aveva altri e più urgenti problemi. Nacque
> così il diritto volgare dei regni romano-barbarici, che produceva testi giuridici "divulgativi" e
> dunque documentalmente instabili se non francamente falsi. Nel diritto canonico, per esempio, il
> testo più usato e diffuso pare fossero le famigerate Decretales pseudo-isidoriane (https://ccel.org/
> s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/iv.v.lxxiv.htm)
>
> Si veda il capitolo sul testo giuridico fra XI e XII secolo di questo bellissimo libro di Emanuele
> Conte
> https://arcadia.sba.uniroma3.it/handle/2307/3204
>
> Per ricollegare il valore giuridica del testo alla sua emanazione da un'autorità legittima e alla
> necessità di tenere sotto controllo la lettera del testo stesso ci volle la riforma gregoriana e la
> fondazione delle università. Dobbiamo alla scuola bolognese la ricostruzione e l'edizione del Corpus
> iuris civilis.
>
> Per noi è scontato che un avvocato non possa andare in tribunale col manuale o gli appunti presi a
> lezione da un collega al posto del codice. Nell'alto medioevo non era così: era del tutto normale
> usare SALAMI, ma fatti a mano.
>
> A presto,
> MCP
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