Joseph Choonara reviews Zuboff "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism"
/"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.// // //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."// / jc *The logic of capital online** * June 2019 (447) By Joseph Choonara *Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, asks Joseph Choonara.* ** I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search engine nor a verb. The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection. [...] continua qui: http://socialistreview.org.uk/447/logic-capital-online
Grazie Juan Carlos, se ricordo bene è una critica non dissimile da quella di Morozov (di cui era passato l'avviso in lista qualche tempo fa) https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov ovvero che lo sminuire il ruolo del capitalismo nella "commoditization of society" per concentrarsi sugli effetti (la sorveglianza e il controllo) non aiuta la discussione sul come cambiare la rotta. Ciao, Enrico Il 12/06/2019 08:00, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
/"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.// // //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."// / jc
*The logic of capital online** * June 2019 (447)
By Joseph Choonara
*Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, asks Joseph Choonara.*
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I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search engine nor a verb.
The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection.
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continua qui: http://socialistreview.org.uk/447/logic-capital-online
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secondo me entrambi non colgono una cosa, ovvero che questo e' un nuovo tipo di rendita. non e' mai successo nella storia dell'umanita' che vi sia una modalita' di produzione di rendita che ha - scala globale, consentendo BEPS - sunk investments, minimi rispetto ai ricavi - costi variabili nulli - ritorni incrementali la "sorveglianza" e' un dettaglio di una parte dei business model di una parte delle aziende. il tema e' un nuovo "capitalismo immateriale". qualcuno ci dovrebbe scriveere un libro... ;-) On 12/06/2019 09:02, Enrico Nardelli wrote:
Grazie Juan Carlos, se ricordo bene è una critica non dissimile da quella di Morozov (di cui era passato l'avviso in lista qualche tempo fa) https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov ovvero che lo sminuire il ruolo del capitalismo nella "commoditization of society" per concentrarsi sugli effetti (la sorveglianza e il controllo) non aiuta la discussione sul come cambiare la rotta.
Ciao, Enrico
Il 12/06/2019 08:00, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
/"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.// // //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."// / jc
*The logic of capital online** * June 2019 (447)
By Joseph Choonara
*Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, asks Joseph Choonara.*
**
I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search engine nor a verb.
The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection.
[...]
continua qui: http://socialistreview.org.uk/447/logic-capital-online
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Cambiamenti quantitativi che diventano qualitativi. Indubbiamente. Leggendo il libro della Zuboff mi pare che dica molto di più. Al dilà dei limiti rappresenta una sintesi di gran valore, che pone i termini della questione. Si può dire dell'altro o diversamente, ma credo che quello che dice non possa essere scansato. Alberto On June 12, 2019 7:08:00 AM UTC, Stefano Quintarelli <stefano@quintarelli.it> wrote:
secondo me entrambi non colgono una cosa, ovvero che questo e' un nuovo
tipo di rendita. non e' mai successo nella storia dell'umanita' che vi sia una modalita'
di produzione di rendita che ha - scala globale, consentendo BEPS - sunk investments, minimi rispetto ai ricavi - costi variabili nulli - ritorni incrementali
la "sorveglianza" e' un dettaglio di una parte dei business model di una parte delle aziende. il tema e' un nuovo "capitalismo immateriale".
qualcuno ci dovrebbe scriveere un libro... ;-)
On 12/06/2019 09:02, Enrico Nardelli wrote:
Grazie Juan Carlos, se ricordo bene è una critica non dissimile da quella di Morozov (di cui era passato l'avviso in lista qualche tempo fa) https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov ovvero che lo sminuire il ruolo del capitalismo nella "commoditization of society" per concentrarsi sugli effetti (la sorveglianza e il controllo) non aiuta la discussione sul come cambiare la rotta.
Ciao, Enrico
Il 12/06/2019 08:00, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
/"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of
evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another
to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.// // //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."// / jc
*The logic of capital online** * June 2019 (447)
By Joseph Choonara
*Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, asks Joseph Choonara.*
**
I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood
before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search engine nor a verb.
The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection.
[...]
continua qui: http://socialistreview.org.uk/447/logic-capital-online
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piu' correttamente avrei dovuto dire "reddito". ho approfondito il mio pensiero qui https://5ta.it/3j/6a45 buona domenica! On 12/06/2019 09:08, Stefano Quintarelli wrote:
secondo me entrambi non colgono una cosa, ovvero che questo e' un nuovo tipo di rendita. non e' mai successo nella storia dell'umanita' che vi sia una modalita' di produzione di rendita che ha - scala globale, consentendo BEPS - sunk investments, minimi rispetto ai ricavi - costi variabili nulli - ritorni incrementali
la "sorveglianza" e' un dettaglio di una parte dei business model di una parte delle aziende. il tema e' un nuovo "capitalismo immateriale".
qualcuno ci dovrebbe scriveere un libro... ;-)
On 12/06/2019 09:02, Enrico Nardelli wrote:
Grazie Juan Carlos, se ricordo bene è una critica non dissimile da quella di Morozov (di cui era passato l'avviso in lista qualche tempo fa) https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov ovvero che lo sminuire il ruolo del capitalismo nella "commoditization of society" per concentrarsi sugli effetti (la sorveglianza e il controllo) non aiuta la discussione sul come cambiare la rotta.
Ciao, Enrico
Il 12/06/2019 08:00, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
/"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.// // //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."// / jc
*The logic of capital online** * June 2019 (447)
By Joseph Choonara
*Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, asks Joseph Choonara.*
**
I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search engine nor a verb.
The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection.
[...]
continua qui: http://socialistreview.org.uk/447/logic-capital-online
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participants (4)
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Alberto Cammozzo -
Enrico Nardelli -
J.C. DE MARTIN -
Stefano Quintarelli