secondo me entrambi non colgono una cosa, ovvero che questo e' un nuovo 
tipo di rendita.
non e' mai successo nella storia dell'umanita' che vi sia una modalita' 
di produzione di rendita che ha
- scala globale, consentendo BEPS
- sunk investments, minimi rispetto ai ricavi
- costi variabili nulli
- ritorni incrementali

la "sorveglianza" e' un dettaglio di una parte dei business model di una 
parte delle aziende.
il tema e' un nuovo "capitalismo immateriale".

qualcuno ci dovrebbe scriveere un libro...
;-)

On 12/06/2019 09:02, Enrico Nardelli wrote:
Grazie Juan Carlos,
se ricordo bene è una critica non dissimile da quella di Morozov (di cui 
era passato l'avviso in lista qualche tempo fa)
   https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov
ovvero che lo sminuire il ruolo del capitalismo nella "commoditization 
of society" per concentrarsi sugli effetti (la sorveglianza e il 
controllo) non aiuta la discussione sul come cambiare la rotta.

Ciao, Enrico

Il 12/06/2019 08:00, J.C. DE MARTIN ha scritto:
 /"There is much to admire in Zuboff’s work, particularly the mass of 
 evidence she assembles. However, her single-minded obsession leads to 
 a common pitfall in literature of this kind. It is one thing to 
 identify a central feature of contemporary capitalism, quite another 
 to announce a new paradigm — the “new economic order” of surveillance 
 capitalism — that shades all other aspects of the system.//
 //
 //Such an approach involves minimising criticisms of earlier phases of 
 capitalism and downplaying the extent to which the tech giants are 
 simply outgrowths of capitalist logic."//
 /
 jc

 *The logic of capital online**
 *
 June 2019
 (447)

 By Joseph Choonara

 *Shoshana Zuboff’s new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, 
 explores the world of the giant tech companies such as Google, 
 Microsoft, Apple and Amazon. We all know they collect our data for 
 profitable uses; how deeply does this affect capitalist relations, 
 asks Joseph Choonara.*

 **

 I was part of the last generation in Britain to experience childhood 
 before the Internet. It still seemed miraculous when, in the 
 mid-1990s, it became possible to browse the Web, using search engines 
 such as Altavista and Lycos — Google being as yet neither a search 
 engine nor a verb.

 The Internet had none of the pervasiveness it has today. Mobile 
 phones, for those who had them, were mostly used for phone calls. 
 Beyond my university computer room, going online meant using a dial-up 
 modem with speeds one thousandth of my current connection.

 [...]

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