Vi ricordo anche questo bel libro, pubblicato nel 1980 dalla casa editrice del Politecnico di Milano Il giorno dom 23 lug 2023 alle 12:16 Alberto Cammozzo via nexa < nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> ha scritto:

Non ho ascoltato ancora il podcast e spero anche io che Morozov intenda pubblicare sotto altra forma, ma le vicende di Cybersyn e Beer sono abbastanza documentate da alcuni anni *: *

Eden Medina. *Designing Freedom, Regulating a Nation: Socialist Cybernetics in Allende's Chile* , in Journal of Latin American Studies, vol. 38, n. 38, Cambridge University Press, 2006, pp. 571-606, DOI:10.1017/S0022216X06001179. Disponibile su sci-hub <https://sci-hub.se/https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-latin-...> <https://sci-hub.se/https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-latin-...>

Eden Medina, *Cybernetic Revolutionaries: Technology and Politics in Allende’s Chile* (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2011)

Nella collezione di Philosophy Kitchen 18 (marzo 2023) presentata da poco in questa lista si parla di Beer e Cybersyn in due articoli:

Robin Asby - *On The Framing of Systems and Cybernetic Models* <https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7836> <https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7836>

Paolo Capriati - *Autopoiesi dei sistemi politici: il caso Cybersyn <* https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7837*>*

Nel 2008 sul NYT è comparso un articolo ben informato (togliere js per accedere):

Alexei Barrionuevo, March 28, 2008, *Before ’73 Coup, Chile Tried to Find the Right Software for Socialism* <https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/world/americas/28cybersyn.html> <https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/world/americas/28cybersyn.html>

ciao,

Alberto On 23/07/23 10:27, Marco A. Calamari wrote:

Buongiorno a tutti.

Estremamente interessante, anche se la forma di podcast può essere limitante.

Esiste in forma (anche non ufficiale) di libro / trascrizione / traduzione?

Buona giornata. Marco

On dom, 2023-07-23 at 08:51 +0200, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:

E' online The Santiago Boys, il nuovo, splendido progetto di Evgeny Morozov: https://the-santiago-boys.com/ Qui sotto l'annuncio.

Inoltre, oggi "La Lettura" dedica quattro pagine (!) all'iniziativa e ieri il Guardian da pubblicato un articolo a uno dei protagonisti della storia, Stafford Beer:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/stafford-beer-chile-allende -technology-cybernetics

Bravo, Evgeny!

juan carlos

The podcast that took 2+ years and 200+ interviews to produce is finally online!

You can listen to it on the main podcasting platforms (including Spotify and Apple Podcasts).

The website of the Santiago Boys offers plenty of extra materials for those of you who want to dig deeper: footnotes, backgrounders, sources, videos, a glossary, and so much else.

And we are also publishing the interviews with the many people we interviewed (check out, for example, this interview with Brian Eno where he talks about Stafford Beer and his own fascination with cybernetics).

Many thanks to dozens of people who worked on this ambitious project; you can see all their names here.

I hope you take a break from the Barbenheimer hyper and spend some time with the Santiago Boys instead!

Evgeny Morozov _______________________________________________ nexa mailing listnexa@server-nexa.polito.ithttps://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa

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se NON ci fossero On 23/07/23 15:54, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:

Devo ancora esplorare The Santiago Boys, ma sarei molto stupito se ci fossero riferimenti a tutta la letteratura precedente sul tema, incluso il libro curato da De Cindio e De Michelis, di cui mi ha parlato lo stesso Morozov.

A leggere questa descrizione: https://the-santiago-boys.com/santiago_boys_media_sheet.pdf, non si tratta solo di podcast, ma di un progetto più articolato, molto materiale sarà sul sito: "The podcast will be accompanied by an extensively documented web-site, with transcripts of interviews, footnotes, and links".

Per il resto, eventuali domande vanno rivolte direttamente a Morozov.

jc

On 23/07/23 12:38, de petra giulio wrote:

...

Vi ricordo anche questo bel libro, pubblicato nel 1980 dalla casa editrice del Politecnico di Milano

Il giorno dom 23 lug 2023 alle 12:16 Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> ha scritto:

Non ho ascoltato ancora il podcast e spero anche io che Morozov intenda pubblicare sotto altra forma, ma le vicende di Cybersyn e Beer sono abbastanza documentate da alcuni anni*: *

Eden Medina. /Designing Freedom, Regulating a Nation: Socialist Cybernetics in Allende's Chile/ , in Journal of Latin American Studies, vol. 38, n. 38, Cambridge University Press, 2006, pp. 571-606, DOI:10.1017/S0022216X06001179. Disponibile su sci-hub <https://sci-hub.se/https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-latin-...> <https://sci-hub.se/https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-latin-...>

Eden Medina, /Cybernetic Revolutionaries: Technology and Politics in Allende’s Chile/ (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2011)

Nella collezione di Philosophy Kitchen 18 (marzo 2023) presentata da poco in questa lista si parla di Beer e Cybersyn in due articoli:

Robin Asby - /On The Framing of Systems and Cybernetic Models/ <https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7836> <https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7836>

Paolo Capriati - /Autopoiesi dei sistemi politici: il caso Cybersyn </https://ojs.unito.it/index.php/philosophykitchen/article/view/7837/>/

Nel 2008 sul NYT è comparso un articolo ben informato (togliere js per accedere):

Alexei Barrionuevo, March 28, 2008, /Before ’73 Coup, Chile Tried to Find the Right Software for Socialism/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/world/americas/28cybersyn.html> <https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/world/americas/28cybersyn.html>

ciao,

Alberto

On 23/07/23 10:27, Marco A. Calamari wrote:

...

Buongiorno a tutti.

Estremamente interessante, anche se la forma di podcast può essere limitante.

Esiste in forma (anche non ufficiale) di libro / trascrizione / traduzione?

Buona giornata. Marco

On dom, 2023-07-23 at 08:51 +0200, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:

...

 E' online The Santiago Boys, il nuovo, splendido progetto di Evgeny Morozov: https://the-santiago-boys.com/  Qui sotto l'annuncio.

 Inoltre, oggi "La Lettura" dedica quattro pagine (!) all'iniziativa e ieri il Guardian da pubblicato un articolo a uno dei protagonisti della storia, Stafford Beer:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/stafford-beer-chile-allende -technology-cybernetics

 Bravo, Evgeny!

 juan carlos

The podcast that took 2+ years and 200+ interviews to produce is finally online!

You can listen to it on the main podcasting platforms (including Spotify and Apple Podcasts).

The website of the Santiago Boys offers plenty of extra materials for those of you who want to dig deeper: footnotes, backgrounders, sources, videos, a glossary, and so much else.

And we are also publishing the interviews with the many people we interviewed (check out, for example, this interview with Brian Eno where he talks about Stafford Beer and his own fascination with cybernetics).

Many thanks to dozens of people who worked on this ambitious project; you can see all their names here.

I hope you take a break from the Barbenheimer hyper and spend some time with the Santiago Boys instead!

Evgeny Morozov _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 03:57:03PM +0200, J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:

Lunga recensione di taglio accademico: https://social-epistemology.com/2023/08/16/the-political-sins-of-cybernetics...

Bellissima recensione, grazie per la segnalazione. (Aggiungo: recensione con abbastanza pochi "spoilers" sul podcast, quindi potete leggerla anche senza averlo ascoltato.) Grazie a questa lettura ho scoperto la tesi di dottorato dell'autore della recensione, che è probabilmente di interesse per molti Nexiani, e che quindi vi segnalo: Figueroa Zimmermann, Felipe (2020) From progress to innovation : neoliberalism and the expansion of intellectual property. PhD thesis, University of Warwick. Abstract: Intellectual property law [hereon IP] is a particularly dynamic area of capitalist development. While the presence of IP in modern societies is pervasive, scholarly accounts of its explosive growth remain historically and disciplinarily bounded. This dissertation seeks to craft a more thorough account of the expansion of IP, by (1) tracing the changes in the concept of property in modern legal, economic and political discourse; (2) linking these conceptual changes to the process of expansion of IP; and (3) investigating the two-way relationship between the process of expansion of IP and the conceptual shifts in ownership. The methodology of this desk-based research involved first surveying the literature regarding the expansion across disciplinary boundaries, covering mainly economics, political science and legal theory. Next, the dominant explanations given in each discipline to account for IP expansion were identified and contrasted in their strengths and weaknesses to integrate them by using methods adapted from conceptual history (mainly Begriffsgeschichte and the Cambridge Historical School). Four results chapters explore a series of political controversies linked to conceptual innovation starting in the late 19th century and covering the 20th century. The approach showcases how the network of concepts to which we owe our current understanding of IP developed in a context of social, political and economic turmoil. Our perspective regarding the political significance of IP is thus illuminated by the consideration of the historical context. A key finding is that the expansion of IP was made possible by a series of conceptual changes that resulted from the ideological efforts of neoliberals to rethink the conceptual categories of classical liberalism during the first decades of the 20th century. Building on this, x the work offers a prognosis of where the concept of property might be headed, as well as a normative evaluation of these developments. Ciao -- Stefano Zacchiroli . zack@upsilon.cc . https://upsilon.cc/zack _. ^ ._ Full professor of Computer Science o o o \/|V|\/ Télécom Paris, Polytechnic Institute of Paris o o o </> <\> Co-founder & CTO Software Heritage o o o o /\|^|/\ https://twitter.com/zacchiro . https://mastodon.xyz/@zacchiro '" V "'