Google wins landmark right to be forgotten case - BBC News
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Se il principio è generale, decade la protezione che il GDPR garantisce ai cittadini europei che si trovino fuori dal territorio europeo... o sbaglio?
Notably, the ECJ ruling said that delistings must "be accompanied by measures which effectively prevent or, at the very least, seriously discourage an internet user" from being able to access the results from one of Google's non-EU sites.
Il fatto che la ECJ suggerisca di manipolare l'utente è inquietante e pericoloso. Giacomo
In realtà accanto a : (64) It follows that, currently, there is no obligation under EU law, for a
search engine operator who grants a request for de-referencing made by a data subject, as the case may be, following an injunction from a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State, to carry out such a de-referencing on all the versions of its search engine.
c'è anche il paragrafo 72 : Lastly, it should be emphasised that, while, as noted in paragraph 64
above, EU law does not currently require that the de-referencing granted concern all versions of the search engine in question, it also does not prohibit such a practice. Accordingly, *a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State remains competent to* weigh up, in the light of national standards of protection of fundamental rights (see, to that effect, judgments of 26 February 2013, *Åkerberg Fransson*, C‑617/10, EU:C:2013:105, paragraph 29, and of 26 February 2013, *Melloni*, C‑399/11, EU:C:2013:107, paragraph 60), a data subject’s right to privacy and the protection of personal data concerning him or her, on the one hand, and the right to freedom of information, on the other, and, after weighing those rights against each other, to *order*, where appropriate, the operator of that search engine *to carry out a de-referencing concerning all versions of that search engine*.
Quindi non c'è global de-listing a livello EU ma può essere imposto da autorità nazionali secondo un principio di nazionalità come il CNiL chiedeva. Mi pare a una prima lettura. Giancarlo On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM J.C. DE MARTIN <demartin@polito.it> wrote:
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Che condivido pienamente. A presto, o Inviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy. -------- Messaggio originale -------- Da: GC F <gcfrosio@gmail.com> Data: 24/09/19 16:05 (GMT+02:00) A: Center Nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> Oggetto: Re: [nexa] Google wins landmark right to be forgotten case - BBC News In realtà accanto a : (64) It follows that, currently, there is no obligation under EU law, for a search engine operator who grants a request for de-referencing made by a data subject, as the case may be, following an injunction from a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State, to carry out such a de-referencing on all the versions of its search engine. c'è anche il paragrafo 72 : Lastly, it should be emphasised that, while, as noted in paragraph 64 above, EU law does not currently require that the de-referencing granted concern all versions of the search engine in question, it also does not prohibit such a practice. Accordingly, a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State remains competent to weigh up, in the light of national standards of protection of fundamental rights (see, to that effect, judgments of 26 February 2013, Åkerberg Fransson, C‑617/10, EU:C:2013:105, paragraph 29, and of 26 February 2013, Melloni, C‑399/11, EU:C:2013:107, paragraph 60), a data subject’s right to privacy and the protection of personal data concerning him or her, on the one hand, and the right to freedom of information, on the other, and, after weighing those rights against each other, to order, where appropriate, the operator of that search engine to carry out a de-referencing concerning all versions of that search engine. Quindi non c'è global de-listing a livello EU ma può essere imposto da autorità nazionali secondo un principio di nazionalità come il CNiL chiedeva. Mi pare a una prima lettura. Giancarlo On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM J.C. DE MARTIN <demartin@polito.it<mailto:demartin@polito.it>> wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49808208 (Sent from my wireless device; please excuse brevity and typos (if any)) _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it<mailto:nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa
Condivido anch'io. Tra l'altro l'avevo scritto qui ormai 3 anni fa: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2908993 Giancarlo On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:22 PM Oreste Pollicino < oreste.pollicino@unibocconi.it> wrote:
Che condivido pienamente. A presto, o
Inviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
-------- Messaggio originale -------- Da: GC F <gcfrosio@gmail.com> Data: 24/09/19 16:05 (GMT+02:00) A: Center Nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> Oggetto: Re: [nexa] Google wins landmark right to be forgotten case - BBC News
In realtà accanto a :
(64) It follows that, currently, there is no obligation under EU law, for
a search engine operator who grants a request for de-referencing made by a data subject, as the case may be, following an injunction from a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State, to carry out such a de-referencing on all the versions of its search engine.
c'è anche il paragrafo 72 :
Lastly, it should be emphasised that, while, as noted in paragraph 64
above, EU law does not currently require that the de-referencing granted concern all versions of the search engine in question, it also does not prohibit such a practice. Accordingly, *a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State remains competent to* weigh up, in the light of national standards of protection of fundamental rights (see, to that effect, judgments of 26 February 2013, *Åkerberg Fransson*, C‑617/10, EU:C:2013:105, paragraph 29, and of 26 February 2013, *Melloni*, C‑399/11, EU:C:2013:107, paragraph 60), a data subject’s right to privacy and the protection of personal data concerning him or her, on the one hand, and the right to freedom of information, on the other, and, after weighing those rights against each other, to *order*, where appropriate, the operator of that search engine *to carry out a de-referencing concerning all versions of that search engine*.
Quindi non c'è global de-listing a livello EU ma può essere imposto da autorità nazionali secondo un principio di nazionalità come il CNiL chiedeva. Mi pare a una prima lettura.
Giancarlo
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM J.C. DE MARTIN <demartin@polito.it> wrote:
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Mi pare che si delineino diversi scenari sia extra UE che IntraUe. La deindicizzazione su tutto il territorio UE presuppone, credo, la procedura di coordinamento/cooperazione (richiamata al punto 68 della sentenza) per i trattamenti transfontalieri, con l'intervento della capofila. Non è ciò che avviene usualmente, ove le Autority agiscono con la competenza territoriale di cui all'art. 55 GDPR o al più, se considerato trattamento transfrontaliero, con la competenza in deroga del 56 comma 2, dunque come interesse unicamente locale-nazionale: non avrebbe senso una deindicizzazione by default in tutta UE da parte di una singola Autority che agisce su base territoriale senza la procedura di cui al capo VI. Se si intende ottenere il delisting su tutti i motori UE è necessario che il provvedimento provenga dal lead per competenza, non dal primo CNIL che agisce in autonomia, pena il mancato coordinamento. Sul punto la sentenza ad una prima lettura mi pare confusa e poco coerente con le regole procedurali. Quanto al punto 72, mi sembra il tocco finale, il "ma anche" che vanifica l'intera pronuncia e manda a pallino l'intero sistema della competenza e del coordinamento. Però forse mi manca qualche passaggio.... CB Il giorno mar 24 set 2019 alle ore 16:05 GC F <gcfrosio@gmail.com> ha scritto:
In realtà accanto a :
(64) It follows that, currently, there is no obligation under EU law, for
a search engine operator who grants a request for de-referencing made by a data subject, as the case may be, following an injunction from a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State, to carry out such a de-referencing on all the versions of its search engine.
c'è anche il paragrafo 72 :
Lastly, it should be emphasised that, while, as noted in paragraph 64
above, EU law does not currently require that the de-referencing granted concern all versions of the search engine in question, it also does not prohibit such a practice. Accordingly, *a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State remains competent to* weigh up, in the light of national standards of protection of fundamental rights (see, to that effect, judgments of 26 February 2013, *Åkerberg Fransson*, C‑617/10, EU:C:2013:105, paragraph 29, and of 26 February 2013, *Melloni*, C‑399/11, EU:C:2013:107, paragraph 60), a data subject’s right to privacy and the protection of personal data concerning him or her, on the one hand, and the right to freedom of information, on the other, and, after weighing those rights against each other, to *order*, where appropriate, the operator of that search engine *to carry out a de-referencing concerning all versions of that search engine*.
Quindi non c'è global de-listing a livello EU ma può essere imposto da autorità nazionali secondo un principio di nazionalità come il CNiL chiedeva. Mi pare a una prima lettura.
Giancarlo
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM J.C. DE MARTIN <demartin@polito.it> wrote:
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Qui un' approssimativa nota a primissima lettura https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/limitare-diritto-all-oblio-e-rischio-ACiINem Inviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy. -------- Messaggio originale -------- Da: Carlo Blengino <blengino@penalistiassociati.it> Data: 24/09/19 19:52 (GMT+02:00) A: GC F <gcfrosio@gmail.com> Cc: Center Nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> Oggetto: Re: [nexa] Google wins landmark right to be forgotten case - BBC News Mi pare che si delineino diversi scenari sia extra UE che IntraUe. La deindicizzazione su tutto il territorio UE presuppone, credo, la procedura di coordinamento/cooperazione (richiamata al punto 68 della sentenza) per i trattamenti transfontalieri, con l'intervento della capofila. Non è ciò che avviene usualmente, ove le Autority agiscono con la competenza territoriale di cui all'art. 55 GDPR o al più, se considerato trattamento transfrontaliero, con la competenza in deroga del 56 comma 2, dunque come interesse unicamente locale-nazionale: non avrebbe senso una deindicizzazione by default in tutta UE da parte di una singola Autority che agisce su base territoriale senza la procedura di cui al capo VI. Se si intende ottenere il delisting su tutti i motori UE è necessario che il provvedimento provenga dal lead per competenza, non dal primo CNIL che agisce in autonomia, pena il mancato coordinamento. Sul punto la sentenza ad una prima lettura mi pare confusa e poco coerente con le regole procedurali. Quanto al punto 72, mi sembra il tocco finale, il "ma anche" che vanifica l'intera pronuncia e manda a pallino l'intero sistema della competenza e del coordinamento. Però forse mi manca qualche passaggio.... CB Il giorno mar 24 set 2019 alle ore 16:05 GC F <gcfrosio@gmail.com<mailto:gcfrosio@gmail.com>> ha scritto: In realtà accanto a : (64) It follows that, currently, there is no obligation under EU law, for a search engine operator who grants a request for de-referencing made by a data subject, as the case may be, following an injunction from a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State, to carry out such a de-referencing on all the versions of its search engine. c'è anche il paragrafo 72 : Lastly, it should be emphasised that, while, as noted in paragraph 64 above, EU law does not currently require that the de-referencing granted concern all versions of the search engine in question, it also does not prohibit such a practice. Accordingly, a supervisory or judicial authority of a Member State remains competent to weigh up, in the light of national standards of protection of fundamental rights (see, to that effect, judgments of 26 February 2013, Åkerberg Fransson, C‑617/10, EU:C:2013:105, paragraph 29, and of 26 February 2013, Melloni, C‑399/11, EU:C:2013:107, paragraph 60), a data subject’s right to privacy and the protection of personal data concerning him or her, on the one hand, and the right to freedom of information, on the other, and, after weighing those rights against each other, to order, where appropriate, the operator of that search engine to carry out a de-referencing concerning all versions of that search engine. Quindi non c'è global de-listing a livello EU ma può essere imposto da autorità nazionali secondo un principio di nazionalità come il CNiL chiedeva. Mi pare a una prima lettura. Giancarlo On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM J.C. DE MARTIN <demartin@polito.it<mailto:demartin@polito.it>> wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49808208 (Sent from my wireless device; please excuse brevity and typos (if any)) _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it<mailto:nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it<mailto:nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa
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