Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
Concordo: *c**i vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.* Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen [2] [1] https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeputa... [2] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.
Buona giornata, G.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> wrote:
Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons.
“AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.”
Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects.
The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing.
“I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory.
The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement.
Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected.
OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago.
Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology.
Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology.
Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land.
Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said.
Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.
Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use.
“A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.”
Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said.
AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online.
On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote:
Concordo: ci vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche einvestimenti.
Buongiorno a tutti. E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile. Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando di prevederlo per limitare i danni. Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza.... JM2C. Marco
Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi)
PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen[2] [1] https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeputa... [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.
Buona giornata, G.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> wrote:
Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons.
“AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.”
Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects.
The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing.
“I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory.
The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement.
Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected.
OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago.
Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology.
Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology.
Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land.
Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said.
Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.
Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use.
“A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self- defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.”
Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said.
AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online.
-- Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it>
In concreto, cosa suggerisci? Cordialmente, Duccio Il giorno gio 23 gen 2025 alle ore 11:44 Marco A. Calamari < marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it> ha scritto:
On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote:
Concordo: *c**i vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche einvestimenti.*
Buongiorno a tutti.
E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile.
Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando di prevederlo per limitare i danni.
Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza....
JM2C. Marco
Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen[2] [1] https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeputa... [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.
Buona giornata, G.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> wrote:
Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons.
“AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.”
Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects.
The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing.
“I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory.
The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement.
Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected.
OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago.
Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology.
Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology.
Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land.
Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said.
Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.
Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use.
“A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.”
Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said.
AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online.
--
Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it>
Il 23/01/25 12:00 PM, alessandro marzocchi ha scritto:
In concreto, cosa suggerisci?
Dico la mia, pur non chiamato in causa. Mi sembra un tempismo perfetto per, ad esempio, stilare un sintetico "manifesto" (1 x A4) che NEXA (il Centro NEXA), supportato dai membri della sua community (chi, in questa lista, vuole metterci nome e cognome), indirizza principalmente a tutti gli Enti di Ricerca (in primis, Atenei [....perché hanno 'studenti'; non per altro]) proponendo loro, sulla falsariga di quanto fatto altrove, in Europa, di abbandonare i social USA + tirare su istanze mastodon dedicate (vedi esperienza di SURF, in Olanda), offrendosi di supportate l'installazione dei software (attraverso tool di automazione open-source e ultra-collaudati) e, in subordine, di supportare i tecnici periferici nel setup materiale. Chiaramente Nexa dovrebbe eliminare i propri account e... far partire un'istanza mastodon....preliminarmente... altrimenti la cosa non ha molto senso (tendenzialmente, qui, siamo fra persone serie e coerenti. Quindi, predicare bene e razzolare male, non è una opzione). Vantaggi: ne vedo tantissimi. Rischi: praticamente nessuno. Se tutto va bene: abbiamo fatto goal. Se tutto va male... abbiamo buttato un po' di tempo, senza conseguenze (e comunque, un epsilon del tempo passato a processare la lista...) Follia? Saluti, DV
Cordialmente, Duccio
Il giorno gio 23 gen 2025 alle ore 11:44 Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it> ha scritto:
On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote:
Concordo: *c**i vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche einvestimenti.*
Buongiorno a tutti.
E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile.
Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando di prevederlo per limitare i danni.
Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza....
JM2C. Marco
Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen[2] [1]https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurodeputa... [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.
Buona giornata, G.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> wrote: > Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons. > > “AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.” > > Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects. > > The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing. > > “I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory. > > The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement. > > Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected. > > OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago. > > Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology. > > Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology. > > Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land. > > Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said. > > Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post. > > Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use. > > “A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.” > > Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said. > > AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online.
--
Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it>
-- Damiano Verzulli e-mail:damiano@verzulli.it --- possible?ok:while(!possible){open_mindedness++} --- "...I realized that free software would not generate the kind of income that was needed. Maybe in USA or Europe, you may be able to get a well paying job as a free software developer, but not here [in Africa]..." -- Guido Sohne - 1973-2008 http://ole.kenic.or.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2008-April/005989.html
Salve Damiano, Il 23 Gennaio 2025 13:03:06 UTC, Damiano Verzulli <damiano@verzulli.it> ha scritto:
Il 23/01/25 12:00 PM, alessandro marzocchi ha scritto:
In concreto, cosa suggerisci?
Dico la mia, pur non chiamato in causa.
Mi sembra un tempismo perfetto per, ad esempio, stilare un sintetico "manifesto" (1 x A4) che NEXA (il Centro NEXA), [...]
Perché non provi a redigerlo e proporlo come Community Article? Sono propenso a credere che un tale "manifesto" raccoglierebbe vasti consensi. Hai menzionato Mastodon, che è un'applicazione Ruby on Rail piuttosto pesante. Io valuterei anche una piccola soluzione alternativa, che non necessita di db, è scritta in C ed usa una frazione delle risorse di Mastodon: Snac. Io la sto usando con successo da qualche mese e ho scritto una breve guida su come installarlo su qualsiasi shared hosting economico che supporti i CGI: <https://encrypted.tesio.it/2024/12/18/come-creare-il-tuo-social-network.html> Ma su un vps è ancora più semplice: facilmente potrebbe girare su server-nexa.polito.it senza alcun incremento osservabile del carico (sebbene, per ragioni di sicurezza, sia saggio usare una vps separata). Nella sua semplicità, Snac è uno strumento molto flessibile che inizia ad essere usato come piattaforma scriptabile per interagire con il fediverso.
Chiaramente Nexa dovrebbe eliminare i propri account e... far partire un'istanza mastodon....preliminarmente... altrimenti la cosa non ha molto senso (tendenzialmente, qui, siamo fra persone serie e coerenti. Quindi, predicare bene e razzolare male, non è una opzione).
Vi sono anche altri modi in cui il Centro Nexa potrebbe partecipare a questa campagna cibernetica: ad esempio proponendo a specializzandi in Ingegneria Informatica una revisione del codice di Mastodon (o più realisticamente di Snac) alla ricerca di vulnerabilità ed inefficienze da correggere. Spero davvero che la tua proposta abbia successo. Giacomo
On gio, 2025-01-23 at 12:00 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote:
In concreto, cosa suggerisci? Cordialmente, Duccio
In concreto di parlare (anche) di riduzione del danno (accettando l'inevitabile) invece che solo di futuribile ed ipotetica eliminazione del danno. Ti faccio un esempio. Opporsi alle LAWS in linea di principio adesso è inutile; gli arsenali delle principali potenze ne sono già dotati. Far venir fuori questo fatto, invece, e porre la questione di utilizzo, è un tentativo di limitazione del danno. JM2C. Ciao a tutti. Marco
Il giorno gio 23 gen 2025 alle ore 11:44 Marco A. Calamari <marcoc_maillist@marcoc.it> ha scritto:
On gio, 2025-01-23 at 11:29 +0100, alessandro marzocchi wrote:
Concordo: ci vuole un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche einvestimenti.
Buongiorno a tutti.
E' vero, sognare è lecito e comprensibile.
Ma in realtà bisogna invece semplicemente prepararsi al peggio, cercando di prevederlo per limitare i danni.
Altrimenti significa delirio di onnipotenza....
JM2C. Marco
Cordialmente, Duccio (Alessandro Marzocchi) PS c'è già chi ha mandato Trump a quel paese [1], l'europarlamentare di estrema destra Anders Vistisen[2] [1]https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2025/01/22/video/anders_vistisen_eurod eputato_danese_insulta_trump_alleuroparlamento-423954612/ [2]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/124875/ANDERS_VISTISEN/home
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 09:06:20 +0100 From: Guido Vetere <vetere.guido@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [nexa] Trump lauds $500BN ‘Stargate’ AI project and slashes Biden tech regulations - The Washington Post
C'è qualcuno - namely: Altman - perfino più pazzo di Musk. Immaginiamo che spendano tutti i dollari del mondo in un datacenter grosso come la Groenlandia (dopo l'annessione). Alla fine cosa otterranno? I limiti della ragione, umana o automatica che sia, sono invalicabili tanto quanto quelli fisici. L'umanità consiste proprio nello stare dentro questi limiti, ed anche l'AI è utile finché li rispetta. Questo è il momento buono per mandare gli yankee pazzi a quel paese. Certo, ci vorrà qualcosa di più di quel ditino alzato che si chiama AI Act. Ci vorrà un modello di sviluppo europeo ben supportato da politiche e investimenti.
Buona giornata, G.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 at 14:25, Alberto Cammozzo via nexa <nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> wrote:
Trump’s AI policy moves on his first two days in office and remarks at the White House on Tuesday showed him positioning himself as a strong supporter of the U.S. tech industry — while turning away from the Biden administration’s stance that AI technology requires both support and oversight. Biden’s executive order, some of which has been implemented by changes at federal agencies, focused on preventing risks such as algorithms that spread bias or AI assistants that could help terrorists build bioweapons.
“AI seems to be very hot,” Trump said at the White House on Tuesday. “It seems to be the thing that a lot of smart people are looking at very strongly.”
Trump was joined by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison and SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son who announced “Stargate,” a joint venture that will seek to spend as much as $500 billion over the next four years to build as many as 20 new data centers to support AI projects.
The warehouselike facilities, stuffed with thousands of powerful and electricity-guzzling computer chips, are essential to developing and running AI software like that behind ChatGPT. A boom in data center construction is straining the power grid in states across the United States as companies including Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta have spent billions of dollars on new facilities. But AI leaders such as Altman say many more of the facilities must be built for AI technology to keep advancing.
“I think this will be the most important project of this era,” Altman said at the White House on Tuesday. “We wouldn’t be able to do this without you, Mr. President,” he said, turning to Trump. Son said that SoftBank decided to move ahead with the Stargate project because of Trump’s election victory.
The $500 billion doesn’t include money from the federal government, according to a person familiar with the project who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that haven’t been made public. In addition to the companies creating Stargate, Dubai investment firm MGX, an investor in OpenAI, will contribute funding to the project. Microsoft and semiconductor manufacturers ARM and Nvidia will provide technology, OpenAI said in an announcement.
Trump’s industry-friendly first moves on tech policy were not unexpected.
OpenAI has been working on Stargate for months, and its CEO Altman had been pitching politicians on the idea of a major push to build up AI infrastructure a year ago.
Prominent Silicon Valley executives and investors, including some who contributed to Trump’s reelection, had long railed against President Joe Biden’s executive order instituting guardrails for AI technology.
Although certain industry leaders like Altman said some regulation was necessary, critics said the government would only get in the way of the technology’s development and prevent smaller, younger companies from being able to compete with more established ones. Months before the election, Trump allies were already drafting an executive order of their own that would review “unnecessary” regulations and launch “Manhattan Projects” to develop military technology.
Despite Trump’s more industry-friendly approach to AI, his emerging policy is not a complete reversal of his predecessor’s. Biden in the final days of his administration directed federal agencies to speed up the development of AI data center projects on federal land.
Trump said on Tuesday that he supported that policy. “That sounds to me like it’s something that I would like. I’d like to see federal lands opened up for data centers. I think they’re going to be very important,” he said.
Netchoice, a lobbying group with members including Google, Meta and Amazon, welcomed Trump repeal of the Biden-era AI rules. “His orders rolling back regulations on U.S. energy production and ending Biden’s artificial intelligence (AI) red tape wishlist are critical for America’s global leadership in technological development,” Netchoice said in a post on X. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.
Proponents of AI regulation have argued that it is needed not only to ward off potential harms from the technology but also to support its economic development and adoption by providing people with confidence that AI is safe to use.
“A politically-motivated repeal with no thoughtful replacement is self-defeating for our country and dangerous for our people and the world,” Alondra Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, who also worked on technology policy in the Biden administration, said in a statement. “This will leave the American public unprotected from the risks and harms of AI and, therefore, unable to take up the benefits it might bring.”
Deborah Raji, a Mozilla fellow and AI researcher at the University of California at Berkeley, said that the repeal of Biden’s executive order, in combination with the Supreme Court curbing federal agencies’ power to set and institute regulations last year and Trump’s ambitions to empower business leaders, create a “Wild West era” for AI products. “They’re going to be empowered to build models and throw them everywhere, without a lot of regard to safety,” she said.
AI companies have been spending huge amounts of money buying computer chips and building new data centers to house them. The surge in data center construction has also pushed up estimates for how much electricity the U.S. will need to generate to power them, leading to some coal power plants that had been slated to be closed to be kept online.
participants (4)
-
alessandro marzocchi -
Damiano Verzulli -
Giacomo Tesio -
Marco A. Calamari