Re: [nexa] Allarme Brasile, diritti in Internet calpestati altro che Marco Civil...
FYI Da: Per conto di Carolina Rossini Inviato: giovedì 17 dicembre 2015 16:56 A: Oggetto: WhatsApp Blockage in Brazil - what do we know all we know is: - this decision came out as part of a criminal case that is under legal confidentiality ("justice secret") - so all our information is based on press releases from Sao Paulo courts - more than 100 million Brazilians use WhatsApp - 0hrs of the 12/17 was when the 48hrs started - http://www.tjsp.jus.br/institucional/canaiscomunicacao/noticias/Noticia.aspx... - a superior tribunal, on the morning of the 17th, invalidated the Sao Bernardo Judge - http://www.conjur.com.br/2015-dez-17/tj-sao-paulo-suspende-bloqueio-aplicati... - it seems the blocking was based on the refusal of WhatsApp to provide data that was relevant to a criminal investigation...WhatsApp/FB used old arguments (similar to 2007/2008 Google cases), saying Brazil did not have the jurisdiction - based on MC, Brazil does have jurisdiction - BUT, the decision was just now invalidated since it was disproportional and unnecessary...it inflicted consumers/users...and not only the company. The judge could have just threaten the company with gigantic fines or possibly to put executives in jail ...but not cut the whole service - MC needs to be applied following the Constitution and its own principles, not in a vacuum - BUT....IT IS IMPORTANT TO notice that since the case in going under justice secret, we do not even know if MC was used in the judge legal rational for the blocking - WhatsApp/FB position was extremely not helpful to the discussion of internet rights in Brazil ...it puts the discussion back to arguments from 2007/2008...and belittles MC debate and achievements - this might have terrible repercussions for the reform of telco law in Brazil, where telco companies what to have OTT companies regulated <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> -- Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini
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Il giorno 17 dic 2015, alle ore 17:24, Blengino <blengino@penalistiassociati.it> ha scritto:
FYI
Da: Per conto di Carolina Rossini Inviato: giovedì 17 dicembre 2015 16:56 A: Oggetto: WhatsApp Blockage in Brazil - what do we know
all we know is:
- this decision came out as part of a criminal case that is under legal confidentiality ("justice secret")
- so all our information is based on press releases from Sao Paulo courts
- more than 100 million Brazilians use WhatsApp
- 0hrs of the 12/17 was when the 48hrs started - http://www.tjsp.jus.br/institucional/canaiscomunicacao/noticias/Noticia.aspx...
- a superior tribunal, on the morning of the 17th, invalidated the Sao Bernardo Judge - http://www.conjur.com.br/2015-dez-17/tj-sao-paulo-suspende-bloqueio-aplicati...
- it seems the blocking was based on the refusal of WhatsApp to provide data that was relevant to a criminal investigation...WhatsApp/FB used old arguments (similar to 2007/2008 Google cases), saying Brazil did not have the jurisdiction
- based on MC, Brazil does have jurisdiction
- BUT, the decision was just now invalidated since it was disproportional and unnecessary...it inflicted consumers/users...and not only the company. The judge could have just threaten the company with gigantic fines or possibly to put executives in jail ...but not cut the whole service
- MC needs to be applied following the Constitution and its own principles, not in a vacuum
- BUT....IT IS IMPORTANT TO notice that since the case in going under justice secret, we do not even know if MC was used in the judge legal rational for the blocking
- WhatsApp/FB position was extremely not helpful to the discussion of internet rights in Brazil ...it puts the discussion back to arguments from 2007/2008...and belittles MC debate and achievements
- this might have terrible repercussions for the reform of telco law in Brazil, where telco companies what to have OTT companies regulated
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Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini
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FYI: On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Javier Pallero < <mailto:javier@accessnow.org> javier@accessnow.org> wrote: Good news! The judge issuing the preliminary injunction to restore whatsapp considered disproportionality as a problem. <http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/tecnologia/desembargador-libera-acesso-ao-wha...> http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/tecnologia/desembargador-libera-acesso-ao-wha... Now, the main action is going to the Court of Appeals (so the matter of the blocking sanction is not solved yet) It will be solved around February, since tomorrow is the last working day of the brazilian judiciary for the year. e comunque, la vicenda e la resistenza di WA/FB alle richieste dell’autorità a protezione dei dati degli utenti è significativa della discussione sul SafeHarbour all’ultimo mercoledì di Nexa, e sulla permeabilità dei provider americani. Non ho mai visto fornitori europei (Telco o provider vari) rischiare la chiusura (o la galera) per non dare dati… C. Da: Guido Scorza [mailto:gscorza@e-lex.it] Inviato: giovedì 17 dicembre 2015 18:30 A: Blengino; NEXA server Oggetto: Re: [nexa] Allarme Brasile, diritti in Internet calpestati altro che Marco Civil... Il blocco sembrerebbe rimosso http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WwwhatsNew/~3/UNKbxJPkMmo/ Il giorno 17 dic 2015, alle ore 17:24, Blengino <blengino@penalistiassociati.it> ha scritto: FYI Da: Per conto di Carolina Rossini Inviato: giovedì 17 dicembre 2015 16:56 A: Oggetto: WhatsApp Blockage in Brazil - what do we know all we know is: - this decision came out as part of a criminal case that is under legal confidentiality ("justice secret") - so all our information is based on press releases from Sao Paulo courts - more than 100 million Brazilians use WhatsApp - 0hrs of the 12/17 was when the 48hrs started - http://www.tjsp.jus.br/institucional/canaiscomunicacao/noticias/Noticia.aspx... - a superior tribunal, on the morning of the 17th, invalidated the Sao Bernardo Judge - http://www.conjur.com.br/2015-dez-17/tj-sao-paulo-suspende-bloqueio-aplicati... - it seems the blocking was based on the refusal of WhatsApp to provide data that was relevant to a criminal investigation...WhatsApp/FB used old arguments (similar to 2007/2008 Google cases), saying Brazil did not have the jurisdiction - based on MC, Brazil does have jurisdiction - BUT, the decision was just now invalidated since it was disproportional and unnecessary...it inflicted consumers/users...and not only the company. The judge could have just threaten the company with gigantic fines or possibly to put executives in jail ...but not cut the whole service - MC needs to be applied following the Constitution and its own principles, not in a vacuum - BUT....IT IS IMPORTANT TO notice that since the case in going under justice secret, we do not even know if MC was used in the judge legal rational for the blocking - WhatsApp/FB position was extremely not helpful to the discussion of internet rights in Brazil ...it puts the discussion back to arguments from 2007/2008...and belittles MC debate and achievements - this might have terrible repercussions for the reform of telco law in Brazil, where telco companies what to have OTT companies regulated <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> -- Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa
Questo quanto dice l'associazione di consumatori brasiliana: http://www.proteste.org.br/institucional/imprensa/press-release/2015/bloquei... Inviato da iPhone Il giorno 20/dic/2015, alle ore 10:14, Guido Scorza <gscorza@e-lex.it<mailto:gscorza@e-lex.it>> ha scritto: Il blocco sembrerebbe rimosso http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WwwhatsNew/~3/UNKbxJPkMmo/ Il giorno 17 dic 2015, alle ore 17:24, Blengino <blengino@penalistiassociati.it<mailto:blengino@penalistiassociati.it>> ha scritto: FYI Da: Per conto di Carolina Rossini Inviato: gioved? 17 dicembre 2015 16:56 A: Oggetto: WhatsApp Blockage in Brazil - what do we know all we know is: - this decision came out as part of a criminal case that is under legal confidentiality ("justice secret") - so all our information is based on press releases from Sao Paulo courts - more than 100 million Brazilians use WhatsApp - 0hrs of the 12/17 was when the 48hrs started - http://www.tjsp.jus.br/institucional/canaiscomunicacao/noticias/Noticia.aspx... - a superior tribunal, on the morning of the 17th, invalidated the Sao Bernardo Judge - http://www.conjur.com.br/2015-dez-17/tj-sao-paulo-suspende-bloqueio-aplicati... - it seems the blocking was based on the refusal of WhatsApp to provide data that was relevant to a criminal investigation...WhatsApp/FB used old arguments (similar to 2007/2008 Google cases), saying Brazil did not have the jurisdiction - based on MC, Brazil does have jurisdiction - BUT, the decision was just now invalidated since it was disproportional and unnecessary...it inflicted consumers/users...and not only the company. The judge could have just threaten the company with gigantic fines or possibly to put executives in jail ...but not cut the whole service - MC needs to be applied following the Constitution and its own principles, not in a vacuum - BUT....IT IS IMPORTANT TO notice that since the case in going under justice secret, we do not even know if MC was used in the judge legal rational for the blocking - WhatsApp/FB position was extremely not helpful to the discussion of internet rights in Brazil ...it puts the discussion back to arguments from 2007/2008...and belittles MC debate and achievements - this might have terrible repercussions for the reform of telco law in Brazil, where telco companies what to have OTT companies regulated [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] -- Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it<mailto:nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa _______________________________________________ nexa mailing list nexa@server-nexa.polito.it<mailto:nexa@server-nexa.polito.it> https://server-nexa.polito.it/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nexa
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